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To: BroJoeK

Typical neocon fear mongering rhetoric that rivals global warming in fake and exaggerated fears.

So you are telling me George Washington’s wise warning to avoid foreign entanglements is unAmerican? LOL

It must suck to you that the unipolar petrodollar fiat system (the true source of many recent costly wars) is collapsing in favor of a multi polar world not based on fiat currencies controlled by the warmongering fear generating complex.

Like I said, Zelensky must be using the worlds most dangerous blackmail database in a desperate attempt to keep the petrodollar fiat system in power.

BTW, the fiat based FED is unconstitutional —Gold and Silver is the constitutional defined currency. Thus, it is unAmerican and the true cause of worldwide grief and suffering for more than a century.

Your fear mongering spells are no longer going to work — despite Janet Yellen’s laughable threats of vague consequences to China.


104 posted on 02/24/2023 10:30:00 PM PST by FranklinsTower
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To: FranklinsTower
FranklinsTower: "Typical neocon fear mongering rhetoric that rivals global warming in fake and exaggerated fears.
So you are telling me George Washington’s wise warning to avoid foreign entanglements is unAmerican? LOL"

"Neocon"? No, during the Cold War I served and stood guard for three years in West Germany against the old Soviets doing there what Vlad the Invader has now done in Ukraine.
The logic and words then were the same as now and paleo-conservatives like US Senator Barry Goldwater fully supported it.
So there was nothing "neocon" about it.

As for President George Washington, his advice was wise, for both then and now.
He said, in effect, foreign wars in far off lands were none of our concerns.
However, Washington himself did not tolerate British support for Indian forces in our Northwest Territories.
In 1791 he sent an army of 1,000 under Gen. Arthur St. Claire to defeat the Indians in Ohio.
Those 1,000 Americans then were the equivalent to 100,000 today, relative to populations.

And in 1793, Washington raised up another army of 13,000 to wage war against American insurgents in the Whiskey Rebellion. He put RE Lee's father, US Gen. Lighthorse Harry Lee in charge of defeating rebels in western Pennsylvania.

Now, my point is, in practical terms of distance, travel times and economic importance, western Ohio in Washington's time was much further away and of less economic importance than is Ukraine to us today.
The world has grown so small that, militarily speaking, Ukraine today is our back yard.

Further, what can we mean today by "foreign entanglements"? Is NATO a "foreign entanglement"?
Are our defense treaties with Japan & South Korea "foreign entanglements? Is the United Nations a "foreign entanglement"?
The US has military bases in 85 countries on every continent except South America, are those "foreign entanglements"?
And the reasons are obvious -- none of those foreign countries are more than a few hours away by air, or a few days by sea.
They are all closer to us today than was western Ohio in President Washington's time.

FranklinsTower: "It must suck to you that the unipolar petrodollar fiat system (the true source of many recent costly wars) is collapsing in favor of a multi polar world not based on fiat currencies controlled by the warmongering fear generating complex."

Sorry, pal, but that is just lunatic talk from somebody who's been drinking far too much anti-American propaganda Kool-Aid.
It's certainly true that the US dollar's financial role has been hugely weakened by our government's profligate over-spending, driving up National Debt to previously unheard of heights.
Further, US share of global GDP -- depending on how you calculate it -- has fallen from 40% in 1960 to 24% today by some measures, 15% by others.

So, US leadership is not what it was, however, we are just as dependent, if not more so, on a stable global economy and political structures, as we have ever been.
If global economics and politics collapse, we will be more damaged today than any other time in history.

FranklinsTower: "Like I said, Zelensky must be using the worlds most dangerous blackmail database in a desperate attempt to keep the petrodollar fiat system in power."

And that is still more insane nonsense from our Russian propaganda machine.

FranklinsTower: "BTW, the fiat based FED is unconstitutional —Gold and Silver is the constitutional defined currency.
Thus, it is unAmerican and the true cause of worldwide grief and suffering for more than a century."

The US Constitution's restrictions relating to gold & silver coins are directed at the states, not the Federal government.
Our Founders in 1791 set up the First National Bank, and in 1816 the Second National Bank, despite its political unpopularity.
After the Second National Bank expired in 1836, the US went without a central bank until the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.
The First and Second National Banks were opposed politically by Democrats like Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson, but neither they nor the Federal Reserve were ever challenged successfully in court on constitutional grounds.

FranklinsTower: "Your fear mongering spells are no longer going to work — despite Janet Yellen’s laughable threats of vague consequences to China."

Maybe, but the fact remains that the world is full of little two-bit tin-horn Hitler wannabe dictators whose evil desires have been kept in check since 1945 by American economic, political and military leadership.
If that disappears from the world, then the Little Kim's, the Mula Mullahs, the Xi-snake, Vlad the Invader and many others just itching for their chance to do evil, they will be unleashed, and we will not like the results.

So you can caterwaul about "neocons" all you wish, FRiend, but the issues today are the same as they were in George Washington's time, when the quote often attributed to John Stuart Mill was first conceived:


116 posted on 02/25/2023 10:25:34 AM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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