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To Marjorie Taylor Greene: We Don’t Need A ‘National Divorce,’ We Need More Federalism
The Federalist ^ | 02/21/2023 | David Harsanyi

Posted on 02/21/2023 10:03:00 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Marjorie Taylor Greene says the country needs a national divorce. “We need to separate by red states and blue states and shrink the federal government,” she tweeted. “Everyone I talk to says this. From the sick and disgusting woke culture issues shoved down our throats to the Democrat’s traitorous America Last policies, we are done.”

Generally speaking, I’m sympathetic to the idea that the political left is congenitally unable to accept a truly diverse nation. Virtually every legislative policy proposal from modern Democrats — and every policy issued by edict — strengthens federal power and economic control over states. Modern Democrats are champions of direct democracy, in an effort to undercut the choices of local communities and individuals. When they don’t get their way, the permanent D.C. bureaucracy steps in to circumvent the will of states. And when courts stop them, Democrats delegitimize and work to weaken the judiciary. This week, Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., argued states should simply disregard the Supreme Court when they don’t agree with a decision. Ignoring the division of power is far more likely to cause a national schism than any Greene tweet.

None of that means a “national divorce” — really succession, since other states are unlikely to concede to a split — isn’t a reckless thing for someone who took a vow to defend the Constitution to advocate. Even if we took a moment to seriously contemplate the idea, how would it be achieved? We aren’t separated ideologically into large geographic regions or even states, but rather urban, suburban, and rural areas. Conservatives like to share that map showing virtually the entire country painted in electoral red — and it matters more than Democrats like to admit. But we can’t discount that density also matters. A “national divorce” would create even smaller minorities and divisions, but little difference in the way of policy.  (How are the Greenes going to shrink the government when they won’t even reform entitlements?)

For that matter, where will Greene’s Georgia, which Joe Biden won in 2020 and now has two left-wing senators, end up in this split? How about purple states like Virginia or New Hampshire? Will we have 50 separate referendums? Will there be population exchanges like the one India and Pakistan undertook in 1947? If history is any indication, it’s the kind of situation that leads to political violence and economic ruin.

And, you know, you already have the freedom to move about the nation and find a place that suits your lifestyle and politics. That’s one of the reasons we’re a place that has room for a progressive vegan, the evangelical conservative farmer, the suburban moderate, and everyone in between.

During the past 42 years, the federal government has been divided for 30 of them. Over the past three presidencies, the president’s party lost at least one house after only two years. The instinct of the American public is to split power. The organic state of a divided nation is glorious gridlock — which is why the 10th Amendment exists. Now, it’s also true that leftists struggle with the notion of letting people in red states think, speak, and live in ways they dislike. There is a national political and cultural effort to homogenize us. And when Republicans appropriate the existing local power Democrats have used for decades to implement their own choices — as Ron DeSantis has done in Florida — leftists act as if we’re on the precipice of a dictatorship. But they have no power to stop him. Only Florida voters do. This is why federalism exists. It is why some states thrive and others don’t. And federalism is not only a more desirable solution than breaking the country into two, but also far more feasible.

It’s also worth noting that political divisions aren’t static. People can be persuaded. Events change perceptions. It is very likely that our kids and grandkids are going to face a different set of problems and divisions. Are we going to split into four in 50 years?

None of this is to argue there aren’t serious problems facing the nation, but Big Tech’s relentless highlighting of every decisive moment, every rabid voice, and every radical position clouds our view of reality. The nastier and crazier you pretend to be, the more misleading your tweets, and the more partisan you act, the more followers you can expect. The incentive of social media success is corrosive. Most of it just exacerbates political divisions.

In the real world, you probably live in proximity to plenty of people with different religious, cultural, and ideological values, yet, despite what you’ve heard, we’re a nation with negligible political violence. In many ways, despite the mess politicians have made, our lives are better than ever. Let’s keep it that way.


David Harsanyi is a senior editor at The Federalist, a nationally syndicated columnist, a Happy Warrior columnist at National Review, and author of five books—the most recent, Eurotrash: Why America Must Reject the Failed Ideas of a Dying Continent. He has appeared on Fox News, C-SPAN, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, ABC World News Tonight, NBC Nightly News and radio talk shows across the country.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
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To: SeekAndFind

Wasn’t all that long ago that the lefties wanted to succeed. It isn’t any better of an idea now than it was then. I’ll say the same thing now that I said then, she is perfectly free to live where she pleases, but the U.S.A. isn’t giving up any territory.


21 posted on 02/21/2023 10:48:21 AM PST by BlackAdderess (Representatives are supposed to represent their constituents, that is their job. )
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To: SeekAndFind

What we need is more guillotines. Makes reducing leftist population so much more efficient and (relatively) neat.


22 posted on 02/21/2023 10:48:37 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: SeekAndFind

Actually if Biden keeps screwing with Russia and WW3 goes Nuclear all the Democrat cities will disappear......


23 posted on 02/21/2023 10:50:59 AM PST by southernerwithanattitude (New and Improved Redneck!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I would also prefer the national divorce.


24 posted on 02/21/2023 10:51:15 AM PST by GingisK
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To: SeekAndFind

Still waiting for the “conservative” Republican Party to start reducing the size, scope and power of the federal government. They talk about it but never do it.

The Founding Fathers tried to warn us about the dangers of big government. The bigger it gets the smaller the people become.


25 posted on 02/21/2023 10:51:43 AM PST by Starboard
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To: TakebackGOP

Maybe 25 years ago. Now...


26 posted on 02/21/2023 10:52:30 AM PST by mrmeyer (You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. Roberor thert Heinlein)
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To: SeekAndFind

The whole concept of “red state - blue state” is false and attempts to oversimplify a complex problem.

There are no red state or blue states. There are concentrations of democrat and republican power and votes however, and they do not correlate with state lines but with demographics including income, population density and race. Just stating facts.

I live in a rural ‘red’ part of a blue state where you can become governor by winning only the large urban vote. People ask “How can (insert a red state) elect a Democrat like (insert name of a liberal politician)? The answer is easy when you look at the demographics.

For years democrats have understood this and played a good game accordingly. Republicans have sat back and told themselves nonsense like “If we just show the superiority of our policies, they will switch and vote for us”!

Naive stupidity based on a false understanding of how things are.


27 posted on 02/21/2023 10:52:55 AM PST by bigbob
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To: tnlibertarian
Yeah ... it's depressing what public education has done for Grammar and History. I guess this implies the Confederate States "succeeded" after all.
28 posted on 02/21/2023 10:53:48 AM PST by katana
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To: bigbob
For years democrats have understood this and played a good game accordingly. Republicans have sat back and told themselves nonsense like “If we just show the superiority of our policies, they will switch and vote for us”!

Which was Trump's key to winning in the past. He knew you can't win a National Election without getting the votes of a lot of stupid people. You don't have to like that fact, but it's true.

29 posted on 02/21/2023 10:56:18 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: old curmudgeon

Divide California, as it’s Constitution permits. Put LA ans SF in one State and expel them. Then the electoral landscape for the US changes, which will be an opportunity for increased federalism. If NY or Chicago makes too much trouble, expel them as well.


30 posted on 02/21/2023 10:57:14 AM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: katana

OK, secede. But it’s still a stupid idea!


31 posted on 02/21/2023 10:58:22 AM PST by BlackAdderess (Representatives are supposed to represent their constituents, that is their job. )
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To: BlackAdderess

Vs succeed


32 posted on 02/21/2023 10:58:54 AM PST by BlackAdderess (Representatives are supposed to represent their constituents, that is their job. )
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To: SeekAndFind

Reconciliation ain’t gonna happen


33 posted on 02/21/2023 10:59:30 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: SeekAndFind

Sorry but in order for there to be an effective ,unified federalism, there has to be a consensus of commonly held values at its core. That consensus simply no longer exists in America. A significant minority and in some places a clear majority have embraced neo pagan hedonistic decadence. Abortion , homosexuality and all its permutations, habitual drug use,earth and celerity worship is celebrated. The likes of Obama, Clinton. Biden, Pelosi and the rest did not get elected in a social, political or cultural vacuum. Many among those people consider themselves “world citizens” and even mock and demean American culture and heritage.

Would be nice if a “divorce” were possible. Historically such situations don’t have a gentle resolution.


34 posted on 02/21/2023 11:06:26 AM PST by allendale
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To: Twotone

OREGON PING...Wyden, again


35 posted on 02/21/2023 11:06:57 AM PST by goodnesswins (The Chinese are teaching calculus to their 3rd graders wh to sile ours are trying to pick a pronoun.)
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To: allendale

RE: Would be nice if a “divorce” were possible. Historically such situations don’t have a gentle resolution.

Well, we have the example of the Czech Republic and Slovakia.

We also have the peaceful separation of Singapore from Malaysia.


36 posted on 02/21/2023 11:09:35 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
The main problem with Federalism is that the Left admits of no Constitutional limit to their power and uses every trick in the book to rig elections when they are powerful enough. So even more conservative states will be subverted from within and by Fedzilla from without until they, too, are one-party Democrat fascist states.

Even if possible, a national divorce wouldn't solve the problem. Either way, the charming Constitutional republic we knew is at an end: either we get a Pinochet or Sulla and some kind of constitutional interregnum to extirpate the Left and restore the mos maiorum or or we can look forward to a tranny spiked heel on a human face forever.

37 posted on 02/21/2023 11:13:43 AM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: SeekAndFind

Could it be that the GOP (26% of registered voters), and Democrats (31% of registered voters) are both punching above their weight because everyone else is just basically trying to figure out which one is the lesser evil to vote for?

When the GOP turns its attention to practical consensus policy, it does very well, but you aren’t going to try to shove policy down people’s throats with a 13% approval and expect to win the next election. So, get real.


38 posted on 02/21/2023 11:22:22 AM PST by BlackAdderess (Representatives are supposed to represent their constituents, that is their job. )
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To: SeekAndFind

What if the left decrees less federalism? And what if the leftist states use their federalism to establish one-party state governments?


39 posted on 02/21/2023 11:23:22 AM PST by Socon-Econ (adi)
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To: dfwgator
People are not so much stupid as disinterested.

They watch their thirty minutes of local and thirty minute of national and international news if that.

They are not interested in political theory or esoteric arguments with big long words.

They just want it explained to them in clear terms as to why they should vote for you.

You don't do that, they don't show up.

And why should they?

YOU did not put in the work.

40 posted on 02/21/2023 11:30:19 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (The nation of france was named after a hedgehog... The hedgehog's name was Kevin... Don't ask)
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