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To Increase Equity, School Districts Eliminate Honors Classes. Supporters say uniform classes create rigor for all students but critics say cuts hurt faster learners
Wall Street Journal ^ | February 17, 2023 | Sara Randazzo

Posted on 02/17/2023 10:54:30 AM PST by karpov

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To: traderrob6

Thanks. I knew there had to be more to it than that. I know that AP classes help a *lot* when one gets to college - at least financially and in terms of admissions.


41 posted on 02/17/2023 1:14:35 PM PST by Republican in occupied CA (I will not give up on my native State! Here I was born, here I fight and die!!)
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To: FrankRizzo890

Yeah, I had excellent teachers, and some of them were nuns, very dedicated to their students. Every few years my family moved, so I changed schools several times as a child. Every time I went to a new school I had to learn to adjust to the kids, the school, the teachers, the unwritten rules of behavior.

I am very lucky that several in those early years noticed me, for the right reasons, and gave me challenges. That’s where I thrived.


42 posted on 02/17/2023 1:28:23 PM PST by FamiliarFace (I got my own way of livin' But everything gets done With a southern accent Where I come from. TP)
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To: FamiliarFace

I went through public schools. I could read at an 8th grade level at 6 years old. I got bored and quite paying attention.
I had a lot of catch up work to do in middle school, but got my butt in gear and graduated high school with decent grades.


43 posted on 02/17/2023 1:34:11 PM PST by Texas resident (Who is running our country?)
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To: karpov

There cannot be racial equity. There are significant differences between the races in intelligence and physical ability. A fact that must never be mentioned. But it’s undeniable.


44 posted on 02/17/2023 2:12:09 PM PST by I want the USA back (News media are pond scum. My pronouns: Haha, heehee, hoho, hoo hoo. )
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

Harrison Bergeron

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[btw, wiki lies: there’s NOTHING “satirical” about the story ...

full text of story:

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45 posted on 02/17/2023 2:21:47 PM PST by catnipman (In a post-covid world, ALL "science" is now political science: stolen elections have consequences)
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To: I want the USA back

I have studied and taught in schools where grades were required. (Once I gave too many high grades and got disciplined for it, but there were other circumstances.) However, the only system that works is a meritocracy. You cannot force everyone to achieve at a single level.

The greatest mistake educators ( and philosophers) make is to seek to have equal scores in proportion to physical descriptive terms. Who ever said that a hospital in a racially divided community must have staff at the same proportion as the races in the community? If I ever saw that hospital, my car would leave skid marks.

One thing that could help would be to select and keep good teachers in public schools — when I was let go, it was not based on my teaching (or grading) it was based on my seniority. That was a very dumb thing that the teacher’s union insisted upon. Good teachers are part of the solution, and good parents and home support is another. I do not think race needs to be a factor if the above two things are in place.


46 posted on 02/17/2023 2:50:31 PM PST by KC_for_Freedom (retired aerospace engineer and CSP who also taught)
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To: karpov

So, to accommodate the average and below average student EQUITABLY, college bound kids have to find other means of learning so they can be up to speed when they enter higher education.

I guess it’s OK as I understand most students entering college aren’t up to speed anyway. Or is it that school counselors are encouraging average and below average students to enter college.


47 posted on 02/17/2023 3:17:43 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (I'm a nationalist. I'm white. How does that make me racist?)
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To: karpov

I don’t mind admitting of being average intelligence. I did not go to any advanced classes. I had no interest in advanced classes. I had no business in advanced classes. Anyone else who is not in advanced classes... Deal with it.


48 posted on 02/17/2023 3:22:30 PM PST by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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To: Organic Panic

The Communists believe in achieving equality, by leveling peoples’ ambition.

Basically the only path to becoming well-off in Communist countries was to join the Party, that’s what the people with ambition did, even if they didn’t believe in Communism. Everyone else just accepted whatever crumbs came their way, all equally miserable.


49 posted on 02/17/2023 3:25:22 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Republican in occupied CA
Isn’t DeSantis talking about eliminating AP classes in Florida?

He has threatend to do it because the College Board's AP class in "Black history" includes CRT.

50 posted on 02/17/2023 4:17:40 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("There is no good government at all & none possible."--Mark Twain)
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51 posted on 02/18/2023 4:54:43 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Bobalu

Anxious student wanting to get into Midvale College


52 posted on 02/18/2023 4:55:58 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JSM_Liberty

The WHOLE name, too!


53 posted on 02/18/2023 4:56:26 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tired of Taxes

You’re mistaking education for the primarily purpose of modern schools . . . Babysitting.


54 posted on 02/18/2023 5:02:00 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves)
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To: karpov

The ignorant are far easier to rule.

Publik skrewls are doing their part for Deep State.


55 posted on 02/18/2023 5:04:13 AM PST by mewzilla (We will never restore the republic if we don't first secure the ballot box.)
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To: ping jockey
The sole reason for honors classes is to allow students with higher academic prowess to be challenged , excell, and stay motivated.

This is true for the most part, right now, but an aspect that has been neglected is the importance of getting the right focus and creativity for the others. Almost every child in the "slower" class can do much, much better than he is doing--with the right teaching.

I went to junior high and high school on the campus of a teachers' college, and that thinking was at the root of much of the education of the future teachers.

Teaching kids to love learning is a delicate endeavor. You can't just mouth it. You have to construct things so the kids will simply be engaged with what is happening in the classroom without having to have that concept put into words.

56 posted on 02/18/2023 6:07:29 AM PST by firebrand
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To: ping jockey

I wasn’t thinking so much of vocational programs, although they are great. I was thinking of the percentage of kids, whatever that is, who will be learning in a less-advanced curriculum simply because they did not meet the criteria for advanced learning at that time.

Many of them, if not most, could do much better with illuminated teaching methods that are geared to children with their test results.


59 posted on 02/18/2023 12:04:33 PM PST by firebrand
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To: mewzilla

That’s what Marie Antonette thought; too.


60 posted on 02/19/2023 4:31:58 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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