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Update from Ukraine | Kerch Bridge on Fire again | First tanks go to Ukraine | Awesome!
Youtube.com ^ | 2-4-2023 | Denys Davydov

Posted on 02/04/2023 4:08:40 PM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com

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To: Palio di Siena

My point is that if you are complaining about misspent money, the activities of the Federal Government offer lots of cases orders of magnitudes greater. I gave just one example, solely because its of a similar magnitude as aid to Ukraine.

Indeed, I think aid to Ukraine is the best thing the US has been paying for out of the cosmic mess that is Federal spending.

And, moreover, many of these cases bear directly on the collapse of US society, as you are financing your own destruction. You are hiring and financing your own enemies, inside the wire, not in another continent. And it doesnt seem to bother you.

Instead you are exercised only by aid sent to Ukraine.


81 posted on 02/04/2023 7:06:04 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

The numbers were recently published in a pro-western paper. I will find it…. But Russia can build 250 new tanks a year (T-94s) and refurbishes 650 a year (T72s) by fitting them with new optics, fire control and armor.

But artillery plus drones makes tanks obsolete and that’s where the Ukrainians (and we) lose the battle.

Not sure if we actually make any now. The plant in Lima OH is mostly for repairs now.


82 posted on 02/04/2023 7:08:36 PM PST by Toad of Toad Hall (time is short and getting shorter)
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To: ought-six

Just think of the Cuban missile crises. Please, I beg you. Open your mind. Expand your perception. I am sure you are not an evil person. Use the hat holder above your shoulders. I will pray God speaks to you.


83 posted on 02/04/2023 7:11:02 PM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (I am a lesbian trapped in a man's body... gives me more rights. )
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To: buwaya

You have no idea what I’m exercised by. I am totally disgusted by the
“cosmic mess” of spending that the Feds have become as much as anyone - but that’s not a reason to justify prolonging a war 7,000 miles away.


84 posted on 02/04/2023 7:11:05 PM PST by Palio di Siena
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
1. Instead of attacking the Kerch bridge, attack the factories used to repair the bridge. This must drive the FSB nuts.

2. How Wagner PMC operates reflects on Russia as a whole - an insane way to run a country or war.

3. After a year of trying and failing, the effort the Putin fan club goes to miss the point is impressive.

85 posted on 02/04/2023 7:12:04 PM PST by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni 🇺🇦 - No CCCP 2.0)
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To: Toad of Toad Hall

Wisdom is rare and special. You have been blessed.

Here: I gift you this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efjgHYibTH8


86 posted on 02/04/2023 7:14:55 PM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (I am a lesbian trapped in a man's body... gives me more rights. )
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To: Toad of Toad Hall

“Asking for prayers is one thing. Taunting them about it later is another. And continuing to make mention of it to someone dealing with something heartbreaking and difficult does not give credit to your character.”

Taunting? TAUNTING? She calls other FReepers by some pretty nasty names, yet she came out on FR and publicly asked FReepers to pray for her loved one, and I called to her attention that some of the FReepers she reviled did say a prayer? And you call that TAUNTING? You have a twisted sense of perspective.

“But, I’m Catholic, and all too familiar with Jesuits, so that sadly makes some sense.”

I’m not going to get into a Catholic war with you.

“I will certainly respond to more later, but I will tell you that it is an unmitigated fact that Russia is tearing the life out of the Ukrainians. If you think otherwise, you are delusional. I pay attention to both Ukrainian sources and Russian sources. And it is obvious the Ukrainians are being beaten badly. There’s no denying that.”

The Ukrainians deny that.

“Did you hear the Aussie merc interviewed on Willy OAM’s channel?? That’s certainly not Russian propaganda. Poor Willy teared up at a few points the news is so bad.”

In war there is good news and bad news, and gloom and doom; it depends on who is giving the story and under what circumstances. I remember seeing newsreels from WWII with Marines breaking down and full of despair…about Guadalcanal; and Tarawa; and Iwo Jima; and Okinawa. Hard-fought battles, yes; terrible slaughter, yes. But they were battles we WON.

“Btw.. Rumor is Zelensky is leaving everyone in Bakhmut hung out to dry because they are the biggest threat to his regime if they ever make it back to Kyiv.”

The operative word being RUMOR. That you are repeating a rumor says a lot about you.

“Truthfully though, without a cease fire, the Russians will take control of the everything East of the Dnieper. They may even take it all. The Ukrainian position is hopeless unless the US gets involved directly. Is that what you want?”

It sounds like that is what YOU want.


87 posted on 02/04/2023 7:17:57 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Rural_Michigan

If Ukraine wins I hope you don’t turn gay. Sounds like you might be susceptible.


88 posted on 02/04/2023 7:20:21 PM PST by Farmerbob
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Wow!! This is awesome!! Thank you!! This is right up my alley. I will finish watching it after my daughter and I watch the latest installment of One Piece coming out in 10 minutes.

Please have a nice evening. And all my best to you and your brother. I will pray more tonight. Please take care!! I am so grateful for your support and perspective.


89 posted on 02/04/2023 7:27:08 PM PST by Toad of Toad Hall (time is short and getting shorter)
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To: Toad of Toad Hall

Lima does overhauls and rebuilds, using the 3500 or so M1 tanks in reserve inventory. Mostly IIRC these are upgrades. Thats a very deep mine for working chassis, as the M1’s are very modular.

New armored vehicles will be very different. As you say, the old paradigm of tanks is reaching its end. Something new is coming. The US does have substantial production capacity for armored vehicles. These guys for instance.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_Land_Systems


90 posted on 02/04/2023 7:28:27 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Palio di Siena

Well, there you go. Its not about wasting money, its that you have a preference for the other side in that war. The wasting money bit is rhetorical.

It helps to strip rhetoric (emotionalism, rationalization, irrelevant personal baggage, imprecise language itself) out, to get to the personal core of what is motivating you.


91 posted on 02/04/2023 7:36:57 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

There you go - I have no preference for either side.


92 posted on 02/04/2023 8:03:15 PM PST by Palio di Siena
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
The idiocy of your bloodlust is Hitlarian.

Exactly. The bloodthirsty nature of some of these people is appalling.
I pray they get right with God before it’s too late.

93 posted on 02/04/2023 8:36:26 PM PST by Allegra
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To: Toad of Toad Hall

armor crews are training in the UK and throughout Europe, I believe some in the United States.

Therefore, one wonders why anyone would post that the Ukrainians are using little children too young to drive a tank.

One article about the first 17 tanks and some people here become very upset.

Maybe the tank crews will have bricks tied to their shoes to make them taller, like the little kid in the second Indiana Jones movie.

Does anyone seriously believe the United States is training children to man the tanks?


94 posted on 02/04/2023 9:18:26 PM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: ought-six

Another massive missile attack by Vlad, looks like Ivan is starting to move on 4/5 of the fronts.

https://liveuamap.com/en/2023/05-february-donetsk-oblast0451-red-alert-aerig

I fully expect the West to somehow escalate, but with what? The Ukies are scrapping the bottom, now on their 12th ( yes 12th) mobilization, mostly old men….18-60 is the age grouping, but the video of Ukie dead shows many 40-50 year old aged men….most likely the Ukie Territorial battalions? Vlad’s artillery is, as usual, decimating them.


95 posted on 02/04/2023 9:35:14 PM PST by delta7
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To: Farmerbob
If the russians would just go home the fighting and dying would end. If you truly wish to save lives, perhaps you should find a russian forum and convince them to return to their side of the border. The Ukrainians lived a long time under Moscow’s thumb. They don’t want to return to that. I wish them the best, freedom, and self determination. I hope we continue to support them the best we can.

You have no idea what the Russians want and why they are in Ukraine.

https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/reports/2007/R3235.pdf

96 posted on 02/04/2023 11:29:33 PM PST by Dick Vomer (2 Timothy 4:7 deo duce ferro comitantes)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Ukrainian forces kill 700 Russian soldiers on 4 February
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/02/5/7387975/

And the day before,...

Ukrainian defenders destroy Russian aircraft, 4 tanks and kill 840 occupiers
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/02/3/7387724/


97 posted on 02/04/2023 11:52:10 PM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget; All

“I shake my head in disgust for both the young Russian and Ukranian men being slaughtered because of... Putin”

There FIXED it! :)


98 posted on 02/04/2023 11:52:17 PM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com (Pray for God's intervention to stop Putin's invasion)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
Russia-Ukraine war: Ukraine ‘hits Russian factory making parts for Crimea bridge’
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/russia-ukraine-war-ukraine-hits-russian-factory-making-parts-for-crimea-bridge/PLDSPQJ5D5FGJAW5A7CMK2EOFU/

99 posted on 02/04/2023 11:57:55 PM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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