Posted on 02/02/2023 1:47:45 PM PST by fluorescence
The White House and the CIA have responded to a report that CIA Director, William Burns, offered Russian President Vladimir Putin a fifth of Ukraine's territory to end the ongoing war as part of a peace plan drawn up on behalf of President Joe Biden.
A CIA official told Newsweek that claims in the report from Swiss-German newspaper Neue Zürcher Zeitung (NZZ) that Burns took a secret trip to Moscow in January and that there was a peace proposal put forward by the director on behalf of the White House were "completely false."
Last month, Burns traveled in secret to meet and brief Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in Kyiv, The Washington Post reported.
Burns is said to have submitted the plan in mid-January to put an end to the war, which began on February 24, 2022. The story was reported by NZZ on Thursday, citing high-ranking German foreign politicians.
Both Kyiv and Moscow reportedly rejected the proposal.
Newsweek reached out to the foreign ministries of Ukraine and Russia for comment.
According to the newspaper, the proposal offered "around 20 percent of Ukraine's territory"—approximately the size of Ukraine's eastern Donbas region.
Kyiv reportedly shut down the proposal "because they are not willing to have their territory divided" while Russian officials said they "will win the war in the long run anyway," reported NZZ, which has been described as the Swiss newspaper of record.
Sean Davett, the deputy spokesperson at White House's National Security Council, told Newsweek that the report from NZZ is "not accurate," and that the CIA would say the same.
According to the news outlet the German politicians said Biden wanted to avoid a protracted war in Ukraine, and so, offered the territory as part of the peace plan.
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Oh Bush Jr pushed for Georgia to be part of Nato in 2008 too before that crisis. The pattern of our interference followed by a crisis is Interesting.
This war has been going on for 8 years. Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 and the Russian- backed separatist movement has held the Donbas region since 2014. Sounds like Biden was willing to return to the status quo ante bellum.
Militaries determine what boundaries the map makers draw onto maps.
You’re not over anything.
Objectively, you’re losing. Nobody (literally nobody) on your side can tell how to dislodge Russia from the real eatate they took. Even mouth-breathing industrial complex stooges like Jack Keane hasn’t a clue.
Now comes the negotiations... and your tears.
FAIL why the Uke harpies are so mad all the time. Welcome to your FAIL.
He who pays the piper calls the tune. The US has borrowed over $100 billion to fight this proxy war. We not only supply the weapons and ammo, but also, we pay the salaries and pensions of the Ukrainian government, including the soldiers.
So yes we have a say in this war. It is the Golden Rule: He who has the gold, rules.
My question was does the government lie or tell the truth more often? On Covid, I think they lied more often. Once you tell one lie, you have to tell more to cover up. Not sure what that has to do with battered wife syndrome.
thanks for the boring jive talking.
Logistics win wars. Ukraine couldn’t fight this proxy war without the US providing the resources. How much borrowed money must the US sink into this corrupt money pit? What is the end game? Ukraine can’t “win.” A negotiated settlement will end the war. How much death and destruction is necessary before the negotiations begin?
It is neither Putin’s nor Biden’s territory to divide.
Joe’s going to find that Putin is a little tougher to negotiate with than Kevin McCarthy and the GOPe. He ain’t like no Cornpop with just a rusty straight razor.
And will there be a civilization ending world war as a result of America’s Ukraine policy?
The colloquial understanding of “battered wife syndrome” is when the battered wife accepts her abuser’s excuses, comes back thinking that ‘next time’ it will be different, only to find that she is beaten again and again. Rinse and repeat.
MSM/US gov has been caught in many lies over the past 3 years, move on to the next one without contrition, and yet their next day’s pronouncements are swallowed as if the preceding 3 years evaporated. That is no different than battered wife syndrome. I don’t accept that. I measure today’s claims by the veracity of yesterday’s claims. Only a fool would do otherwise.
Biden has no right to negotiate away any other part of another country.
Dims love to give away stuff that isn’t theirs to begin with.
on its face, good for Biden
A-plus
I wish I could say a definite no, but the Biden, Blinken, Nuland, Sullivan, Austin, and Milley national security team gives me pause. The Afghanistan bug out raises questions about judgment.
Our response to the second Russian invasion was/is disproportionate. IMO the ego of people like Nuland who helped engineer the 2014 coup of the duly elected government of Ukraine, which spawned the separatist movement in the Donbas and annexation of Crimea, has affected our policies. Putin humiliated the Obama/Biden administration in 2014. This is payback.
Also, why did Biden take about a dozen trips to Ukraine in the last year of his tenure as VP? Ukraine has become an obsession of Deep State and Biden. Trump was impeached because of a telephone call. He was framed by Ciaramella and Vindmann. The Intel Community is scared to death that the public will learn about our activities there.
Logistics win wars. Ukraine couldn’t fight this proxy war without the US providing the resources.
So where does Biden partnering with Putin to nuke up Iran fit into this “proxy war”? And is the EU WEF buying corrupt Russian energy to finance it’s insane green policies also part of this “proxy war”? Sadly, you disenfranchise Ukrainians exactly as Democrats do to us.
Great powers do it all of the time. What happened before and after WW I and WWII provide many examples of third parties negotiating away parts of countries. In fact, the current Ukraine contains parts of other countries.
He owns a fifth of Ukraine to unilaterally give away? That must have been some deal he cut with Poroshenko back then. Firing a prosecutor was just the tip of the iceberg.
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