Posted on 02/02/2023 11:49:47 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
Ukraine is warning that Moscow is re-grouping hundred of thousands of troops on the border for a massive new offensive, just weeks before the one-year anniversary of Russia’s invasion.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Thursday gave a stark message to the West when he forecast that the Kremlin was building up its forces to take “revenge.”
“Now Russia is concentrating its forces. We all know that. It is preparing to try to take revenge, not only against Ukraine, but against a free Europe and the free world,” Zelensky said at a press conference alongside EU chief Ursula von der Leyen, as reported by Agence France-Presse.
Ukrainian defense minister Oleksii Reznikov told French media on Wednesday that Russia had 500,000 troops ready for an attack to come in weeks. That number is far higher than the 300,000 newly enlisted soldiers Russian President Vladimir Putin called up this past autumn.
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“revenge, not only against Ukraine, but against a free Europe and the free world,”
So this 500,000 strong army is going to march to Berlin just like the Red Army tried to do during the Polish-Soviet war and it did in World War 2????
I tend to believe your statement, and if true, this 500,000 man invasion is just BS to get more dollars and equipment.
That’s a lot of mouths to feed, soldiers to house (even in tents), heaters for the soldiers, fuel for equipment etc etc etc.
WWII’s Normandy D-Day invasion consisted of roughly 140,000 men. And based on historical documentaries, the logistical support for these guys was just unbelievably enormous.
Based on the propaganda I’ve read (repeat: propaganda) Russia couldn’t even support an invasion force the size of D-Day’s.
Forgive me, but I am curious and I come in peace and a neutral observer who is most concerned about the safety and welfare of my own children (and yours).
What was factually wrong about Bob’s statement? If we “pick a side” does it prevent us from observing or commenting on the wrongdoing by those who claim to represent us?
Does it make me a Nazi to state that our own government was in collusion and promoted corruption within the Ukraine (and elsewhere in the world)?
Russia lies. They have lied since I was a kid of the Cold War laying in my bed in Germany worrying that tanks would pour through the Fulda Gap at any moment and I would never see my father again.
We lie. It is not any more noble for us to lie instead of Putin. I believe he is a very corrupt person who has stolen from his own nation for his personal benefit. I believe the same about most of our leaders too.
Why is it in my interest or the interests of my children for us to screw around in the Ukraine before the war or now? What do we owe Europe? We have fertilized Europe with our blood and treasure for 100 years and what have we gotten out of it?
Our state department and intelligence community have been screwing around over there since the USSR dissolved. Our own “Oligarch” (aka Soros) played lots of games and likely made lots of money in the Ukraine (and elsewhere) and he even got our own government to fund a lot of it. Many of the people assigned to Kiev or Foggy Bottom who were in charge of setting our policies in the Ukraine and Eastern Europe now work for Soros (proof of a sorts isn’t it?).
We had wise people with lots of experience going back to our founding fathers who warned us of the perils of interfering in the affairs of other nations. We have massive government bureaucracies that are dedicated to messing around in other peoples homes.
Regardless of who you support or why, and I respect your right to an opinion, if we simply pick a side and dismiss the other person outside of some evidence based or rational reasoning we all lose. We continue to make the same mistakes we saw throughout the 21st Century and it just devolves into name calling here on FR and elsewhere.
It is rational to not like Putin or Zelensky and there is evidence to support both arguments. It is compassionate to feel sorry for the suffering of innocents on both sides of this senseless conflict who have about as much say over the whole damned mess as you and I do about the horrible things happening on our southwest border.
All things being equal, I would love for the conflict to end and the Russians to return home so that adults can attempt to establish peace, but this has gone too far and it is not just about Putin or Zelensky or Nazi’s or Orc’s or Germany’s energy problem or waving a Ukrainian flag as some kind of virtue signalling.
People helped start this conflict in our name using our taxpayer money. Same thing in Europe. We (US and Europe) funded this. Stalin was an evil pig, but he was no idiot and it was probably less “greed” on his part to seize the nations of Eastern Europe than it was his desire to have a buffer zone between Moscow and the “do-gooders of Western Europe” who were constantly screwing around with the neighbors with their Ivy-League ideas.
Why can we not have a rational discussion about this?
I don’t know where BobL stands on the whole thing and we all have a right to an opinion, but what he stated is absolutely true. It was not some regular Joe on FR that said it either - the former PM of Germany admitted what most of us are old enough to understand as truth.
We lied. Hardly a position of righteousness is it? Perhaps telling the truth and not screwing around over there in the first place might have prevented this conflict and the next one that will certainly occur if we keep allowing unelected people like Victoria Nuland and busybody neocon Senators like Lindsey Graham screw around in other peoples houses.
“The Russian invasion of the Ukraine was never an American problem. From the very beginning it was a problem for the Europeans to deal with”
That is exactly what we said about Nazi Germany in 1939. The world is a smaller place and we are all in this together. Russia has been the major problem in this world since ww2. we have a golden opportunity to put them in their place and end the entire mess they have made of the world and you want to let it pass by.
Col. Douglas Macgregor says we are talking about 700,000 Russian troops surrounding Ukraine.
I would think it would be kinda hard to HIDE half a million people on a border, and that there would be satellite pictures to confirm this. I’d hope we’re well past rumors and innuendo.
Thanks, there is a lot of emotion with the Ukraine issue that seems to prevent people from wanting to learn the history there.
BINGO!
That’s what I’ve heard too, weird.
It is pretty difficult to ascertain the truth about the Ukrainian conflict, but you may well be correct in your assessment.
I do know enough about Russian military history to know that they will be better than they were a year ago. How could they not be?
I am not “cheering” for either side because the situation there is quite complex and unlike Lindsey Graham I fail to see a compelling interest for my children.
I have said and will continue to say that this conflict, like most wars in the 21st century, is the senseless sacrifice of the young and innocent for the desires of the old and greedy.
We should have stayed out of this and let Europe figure it out but we have too many busy-bodies to let that happen!
I spent over 30 years in combat support in the military. So I’m making this statement from reading various current sources about the level of logistical support to the forces involved.
I have something called “institutional knowledge” BobL. What actual knowledge about this subject do you have?
“I have something called “institutional knowledge” BobL. What actual knowledge about this subject do you have?”
I can’t say that I have 30 years of active duty in the Russian military, as you claim, so I guess I’m not fit to discuss this issue.
Which post had someone here claiming “30 years of active duty in the Russian military”, as you claim?
Lend/lease. Give him what he needs, but on the same terms that Churchill got before Pearl Harbor brought the US into the war.
Yup. Going in for the big score.
“Which post had someone here claiming “30 years of active duty in the Russian military”, as you claim?”
The guy that I responded to, of course. Obviously he wouldn’t be knowing details of Russian military readiness unless he was in the Russian military.
And obviously I cannot hold a candle to him, and so I admitted that he was far beyond my level of knowledge.
For yourself?
So you lied, again, just made up a completely fake statement and claimed that the poster said it.
You insulted that veteran to ignore his opinion as someone with 30 years of active duty service in logistics when he posted on logistics.
If you weren’t so clueless and dishonest you could see how bad that makes you look.
Recounting the bombing of Dresden, Victor Klemperer recalled friends saying they just hoped the Allied formations were pulverizing the Nazis along with everything else.
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