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Welby ‘would rather see C of E disestablished than split over same-sex marriage’
The Guardian (UK) ^ | Wed 1 Feb 2023 | Harriet Sherwood

Posted on 02/02/2023 7:07:46 AM PST by Salman

The archbishop of Canterbury has said he would rather see the Church of England lose its privileged status as the established church of the country than risk the global church fracturing over disagreements on same-sex marriage, the Guardian has been told.

Justin Welby, who will crown King Charles in a religious ceremony in May, reportedly made the comment at a private meeting with about a dozen MPs at Westminster on Monday.

The MPs raised concerns about the prospect of the C of E offering blessings to same-sex couples who have legally married, but continuing to refuse them a church wedding.

Several MPs broached the question of whether the C of E should retain its status as the established church when it was out of step with the law of the land and with public opinion.

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(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda
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It'll split anyway.
1 posted on 02/02/2023 7:07:46 AM PST by Salman
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To: Salman

I never thought I would see religious schisms happening , over homosexual marriage and homosexual issues. But it sure seems as if a lot of religious denominations are grappling with the issue of what to do about homosexual marriage.

And the split seems to be , that some want to be liberal and recognize homosexual marriage within the denominations. And more conservative or traditionalist people in the denomination do not want to change the theology to allow for homosexual marriage.


2 posted on 02/02/2023 7:13:01 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Salman

I’m an antidisestablishmentarian, myself.


3 posted on 02/02/2023 7:14:56 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (“You want it one way, but it’s the other way”)
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To: Salman

I was into antidisestablishmentarianism before antidisestablishmentarianism was cool.


4 posted on 02/02/2023 7:15:23 AM PST by Larry Lucido (Donate! Don't just post clickbait!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Dang it!


5 posted on 02/02/2023 7:15:43 AM PST by Larry Lucido (Donate! Don't just post clickbait!)
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To: Larry Lucido

But you added the “ism” so you win for size.


6 posted on 02/02/2023 7:17:34 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (“You want it one way, but it’s the other way”)
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To: Salman

What a joke. This heretic ,pervert loving Welby will crown the vapid Charles “king” to convince stupid people that the idiot Charles has the mantle of heaven. Britain has committed cultural suicide and has embraced neo pagan, hedonistic decadence. Nothing good will come out of this devolution.


7 posted on 02/02/2023 7:22:35 AM PST by allendale
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To: Salman
'Welby ‘would rather see C of E disestablished than split over same-sex marriage’

So would Satan!

8 posted on 02/02/2023 7:25:18 AM PST by G Larry ( "woke" means 'stupid enough to fall for the promotion of every human weakness into a virtue')
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To: Salman

He’s about to crown a known adulterer as “defender of the faith.” But who am I to judge?


9 posted on 02/02/2023 7:26:51 AM PST by Ge0ffrey
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To: Larry Lucido; Salman
We will soon be living in a post-antidisestablishmentarian world.

Regards,

10 posted on 02/02/2023 7:28:25 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Salman
--- "It'll split anyway."

True words. Taking a larger view of the world, one watches as many "denominations" are in schism over a variety of issues, but chief among them is the reading -- or lack thereof -- of Romans 1.

Taking an even larger view of the world, one could use the word "schism" to speak about the various "walk away" political movements, the loss of market share by majors and monopolists as we also "walk away" from the likes of YouTube, or Amazon, and so on. Loss of viewers for Hollywood self-congratualtions. Loss of paying fans for some sports gone "pride" gay. "The center will not hold" but it was in the center where profits were mostly found.

The politicization of almost everything has brought this about. And the financialization of everything is accelerating the walking away.

Given the King Chuck the Green's lunatic remark that he would become "defender of all faiths," we know he stands for none. So Welby merely wants to remain the actor who participates in "another opening, another show." Bleh.

11 posted on 02/02/2023 7:34:48 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Salman

The CoE is already split. The majority of Anglicans, mostly in Africa, have nothing to do with Welby, and refused to attend the last Lambeth conference. The church in UK itself has dwindling membership and low Sunday attendance. It is a dead church walking. Welby’s only course is to maintain institutional denial as long as possible before it all collapses.


12 posted on 02/02/2023 7:43:54 AM PST by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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To: Salman

Aging Church of England ‘will be dead in 10 years’ (2032)
The Church of England will cease to exist in 10 years as the current generation of elderly worshippers dies, Anglican leaders warned yesterday.

By Tim Ross
12 July 2011 • 9:02pm

https://www.google.com/search?q=Ageing+Church+of+England+%27will+be+dead+in+20+years%27(2032)+The+Church+of+England+will+cease+to+exist+in+20+years+as+the+current+generation+of+elderly+worshippers+dies%2C+Anglican+leaders+warned+yesterday.&rlz=1CAMWDF_enUS930&oq=Ageing+Church+of+England+%27will+be+dead+in+20+years%27(2032)+The+Church+of+England+will+cease+to+exist+in+20+years+as+the+current+generation+of+elderly+worshippers+dies%2C+Anglican+leaders+warned+yesterday.&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1CAMWDF_enUS930&sxsrf=ALiCzsbHvPvBbMO2lMUP-6oebk1JWUjS9g:1668393975924&source=univ&tbm=isch&q=Ageing+Church+of+England+%27will+be+dead+in+20+years%27(2032)+The+Church+of+England+will+cease+to+exist+in+20+years+as+the+current+generation+of+elderly+worshippers+dies,+Anglican+leaders+warned+yesterday.&fir=bAwkG0Wnz6fDFM%252Cmu6RLEQqL-lhAM%252C_%253BxHsDFwcBSEuJJM%252CJnIykRb2Pik9PM%252C_%253BGTQgEbqLHTefmM%252CmJ1zd1zG7a5bgM%252C_%253BmzSVsXhZ-QeO2M%252C0Mnz595o__sDvM%252C_%253B0UYA5s579nXorM%252CZbozg68aN2nPSM%252C_%253BRPXuIaj34N_j_M%252Cj692DKTO7PewmM%252C_%253BWen8peUilvfXmM%252Ciq2cVDLgL0cKXM%252C_%253B7O3B2A2L2R34oM%252CiCNiffkLsgWgUM%252C_%253BjGDWEiOcl0DvrM%252CLi-klKnYvMGeoM%252C_%253B_WCo-v7Vc5zZ0M%252Cb_xc5L8DICatPM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kQRjrnA7Gndp227YiZIy7e9Vd25AQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiF2J7y06z7AhWELUQIHRzMCk4QjJkEegQIJxAC&biw=1248&bih=651&dpr=1.5

Growth, Decline and Extinction of UK Churches:

https://anglican.ink/2022/05/21/growth-decline-and-extinction-of-uk-churches/


13 posted on 02/02/2023 7:47:51 AM PST by Grampa Dave ("What is your 'fair share' of what someone else has worked for?" - Thomas Sowell !!!!)
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To: G Larry

Au contraire: Satan has the most to lose.


14 posted on 02/02/2023 7:49:08 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham ("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
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To: Salman

How many people are even members anymore?


15 posted on 02/02/2023 8:06:59 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Salman

“My way or the highway.”


16 posted on 02/02/2023 8:09:57 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is ████ █ ██████ ███████ ███ ██████ ██ ████████. FJB.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Whether C of E is disestablished or split over ‘ssm’ are both in favor of Satan.


17 posted on 02/02/2023 8:57:34 AM PST by G Larry ( "woke" means 'stupid enough to fall for the promotion of every human weakness into a virtue')
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To: ClearCase_guy

I’m an antidisestablishmentarian, myself.


Odd, that after all this time a word that was seen as a curiosity by kids in the 1950s finds itself relevant in the 2020s.


18 posted on 02/02/2023 9:09:31 AM PST by hanamizu
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To: Salman

Hold the line


19 posted on 02/02/2023 11:19:05 AM PST by Persevero (You cannot comply your way out of tyranny. )
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Jesus said ‘Remember Lot’s wife’. The ‘church’ is called the bride/wife. Cannot fulfill the Lot’s wife analogy any clearer.


20 posted on 02/02/2023 11:22:26 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Psalm 2. Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?)
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