Early poll: DeSantis beating Trump among Alabama Republicans

Alabama Daily News ^ | February 1, 2023 | TODD STACY

[frnewsjunkie]

I will first say I remember the general who was President. My family loved him... but that was THEN.. we are in the NOW.I will give you what makes a good President of the United States. Not for me or you necessarily... but for the good of the country and what is good for the USA is good for all.

Trump has good points and he has some you would like to see him do away with. You doubters don’t like the way he talks... or the way he demeans sometimes.. you can list more I’m sure.

When he is abroad, the leaders admire him... they follow him around. They want to hear what he has to say. Not so with the one in there now!!!!!

the man Trump, cares for the people. Don’t matter what he sounds like... or what you don’t like... if you had researched the man before the media hated him... you would find him helping the little boy who needs a fast ride to the hospital 800 miles away.. Trump gets his plane out and takes the boy to the hospital. There are numerous instances where he has helped someone and you never heard about it.
And he loves the US and wants to see it regained the pride and the wherewithall to be the best and keep wars from springing up like the stupidity of the current one.

He has a high IQ People who are intelligent, don’t know what it’s like to not be... they think in a different vein. I have a son and a grandson with high IQ... they are wonderful and kind..and sometimes impatient when he gets it and the others look at him odd... they are way ahead of everyone else.

Trump can carry on an important conversation on 3 different subjects with 3 people and not get lost in any of it...

Trump gets things done on time and under budget. He worlds all day and most of the night. With government at a snails pace, I like the on time person.

He knows how to do a business deal. He can scare the enemy into compromise or surrender..

He has sons and daughters that are not in trouble and respect their father.

And one thing to ask or take a guess on those who want to run. Can they go from where they are, to the grinding mill and have their kids attacked along with the whole family? Can they withstand the FBI coming to the door, coming in, and going through the house with threats of imprisonment.

Grey hair is earned... all of the younger ones will disappoint you in a washington minute.
He may be all you antis say he is... I want a man who can keep us out of war... stabilize the economy... shut the blankety border!!! and turn life from the foreboding we have now... to sunshine again. I trust the man and admire the man. faults and all..
God bless Trump....

[frnewsjunkie]

IF russia took a notion to pay us a visit... joe would be to blame.. how many families have lost members in both countries, that would not have happened if Trump were President.

The billions joe is giving... I guess it’s money laundering. and there are no consequences for creating a lawless country.

A mam in his forties can handle what Trump has? Go ahead and say yes....you are wrong...

[DoughtyOne]

I would appreciate that if he came to that conclusion.

[bankwalker]

He never intended to run in 2024 ...no need for a new conclusion ...

[DoughtyOne]

It was still his conclusion whenever he came to it.

I wasn’t inferring a new one.

[Golden Eagle]

the treachery of the Democrat party and its co-conspirators in the government should not be permitted to prevail and I am willing to run some real risks of actually losing the election to uphold the principle of equal justice.

I would put forth the suggestion that the treachery in Government that you describe, was in many ways reinforced by Trump as President, by way of his very own appointments into government. Jeff Sessions, Ron Rosenstein, Bill Barr, Christopher Wray, surely you are aware of these names that Trump himself appointed into the top leadership positions at the Department of Justice, who clearly had no interest in the principle of equal justice. Therefore, Trump himself bears a significant portion of the responsibility for the injustice.

Consequently, as Trump himself was a significantly impacting factor in the treachery in government, re-electing him into the same position as President, where he might very well reinforce the treachery at the DOJ, again, would obviously be the inversely desired result. I understand he would mean to do better, next time, but did he not mean to do good, the first time? Is this a risk worth taking, to protect the honor of someone who was at least partially responsible for the treachery himself?

This same question can be asked independently of the personnel he appointed in government, but also with respect to the actions he took, or more correctly, has not taken, to secure our election infrastructure. The facts appear to show the following: Mr. Trump was unable to stop apparent election meddling while he was President, and despite collecting $200M specifically donated to him for "election security," since, he has made no actual effort to improve election security, in a practical, or even a detailed theoretical since, that anyone is aware of.

Therefore, again, does he not deserve some significant portion of the blame for our election infrastructure failings, and his lack of effort, despite the funding he was provided, to make any actual improvements in the system, since?

To be clear, I am not solely blaming Trump for the treachery as you said in government. However, I am saying I do not believe in your characterization that he was simply of victim of it, whose honor should now be protected, at the potential cost of turning the country over to another Democratic President for four more years. Trump deserves at least some of the blame for that treachery happening while he was the most powerful man on earth, and has done nothing to address it, since, other than purchase a new social media website which made it easier for him to complain about the wrongs he himself played a part in.

To make a short analogy, you have a valuable piece of family property, that you want to build on (our country). You hire someone (Trump) to build that structure for you. Trump hires horrible people (Barr etc) for the job. They steal money and equipment from Trump, to the point he loses the job, and you have no money left. But, you still need that structure built, and eventually save enough to move forward with your dreams again. Do you go back to Trump, and hire him for the same job, again? No, I would not. Especially not as a reward for his "victimhood."

[Robert DeLong]

I didn't ask if he would protect the people of America, I asked if you could trust him to fight for the people of America.

Let me be more specific, would he fight the corruption that is fleecing the American people to enrich themselves & their families, in order to return control back to; We The People?

That is what Donald J. Trump is trying to do.

[M_Continuum]

There you are, I thought you gave up 😂

[M_Continuum]

So you want Trump to run un-opposed? Why don’t we make him king? Think of all the money we could save not having to pay Congress critters.
It’s not that DeSantis is a rino or globalist, it’s that he dare not fall down and worship at the feet of Trump. Ya’ll are certifiable 🤪
Would you support a Trump 3rd party run?

[frnewsjunkie]

Why the edge in your comment.
Unopposed..?
There are different reasons people choose to run.
Biden can’t be President 4 more years he’s not capable, so anyone else running would expect to win

Anyone running with Trump would assume to lose
Unless anti Trumpers syked the atmosphere and it rubbed off on not too smart voters

This is early.. U never know

Trump has shown he can do, ya don’t know the others

[V_TWIN]

YES

[nathanbedford]

Both Golden Eagle and hcmama make the very valid point that Donald Trump himself has contributed to his own undoing and in many ways is personally unworthy of risks that those in favor of social justice should run on his behalf.

I take quite seriously all of the indictments against Trump that you two have raised in your very thoughtful replies. My point, is not that Donald Trump himself should be vindicated but rather the principles of equal justice and election integrity must be upheld even when attached to an imperfect champion. I ask at what cost, where is the threshold beyond which we should not risk a defeat and you argue that there is no vindication to be had in the person of Donald Trump. Even if he wins, we lose.

One last note, it is obvious in six years that the general consensus in this forum has altered 180° to the disfavor of Donald Trump. The number of conservatives who have departed from Trump's base will determine the outcome of the upcoming primaries. I hope this forum for once can refrain from the invective which has stained it in preceding primary seasons.

[Golden Eagle]

My point, is not that Donald Trump himself should be vindicated but rather the principles of equal justice and election integrity must be upheld even when attached to an imperfect champion. I ask at what cost, where is the threshold beyond which we should not risk a defeat and you argue that there is no vindication to be had in the person of Donald Trump. Even if he wins, we lose.

Thank you for your insightful response. The final line I referenced above is indeed what took me 500 words to say. I would only chance it slightly to say If he wins, we (very likely, probably, might very well) lose, once again being quite verbose. I do not see Trump as an irredeemable lost cause, just as extremely risky gambit, and a risk not worth taking when we it appears we may have a very strong, if not superior, alternative. For example, I would most certainly vote for Trump in the general election, if he wins the primary, I just won’t be voting for him in the primary under most any circumstance.

The number of conservatives who have departed from Trump's base will determine the outcome of the upcoming primaries. I hope this forum for once can refrain from the invective which has stained it in preceding primary seasons.

It is sadly possible I may lose some long time friends over my newly evolved position on Trump, as my resistance to him can be quite forceful at times, in order to combat the deep level of devotion that some still have. I myself had to go through a long transition, of seeing extremely negative things about Trump that shocked my system into a new level of higher conscience. Many of those things were presented to me by online pastors, and I at times feel as if I am only serving a greater cause myself by sharing these uncomfortable truths about Trump. And in that greater cause, I will strive to avoid personal attacks, or insults, and be understanding of the difficult transition some may be going through when moving away from Trump, that I have experienced myself. Thanks again.

[deport]

A very good explanation of your position. I attempt to stay
out of arguments with others about the upcoming Presidential
election but it is very important in looking towards the future.

I personally think the upcoming election is an attempt to get
a female into the Presidency. The winner with a female vp
could step down after two years and one day and we could
have a her for 2 1/2 terms (10 yrs)as President. JMO

[Golden Eagle]

Thank you, it has been a difficult transition, from having Trump serve as my Linus blanket, to realizing it was more or less a dirty rag that I didn’t need to carry around any more. That may sound harsh and anger some, but that’s essentially what I went through, and believe I am better for it.

Regarding Presidents stepping down (with possibilities all the way up to suddenly dying) so that a woman VP can assume the Presidency, it might even happen with Biden. It’s another good reason we don’t need another -80 year old as President, ever again in my opinion.

[brownsfan]

“A splintered Republican Party plays into the dems’ hands.”

We’re doing it ourselves without any prodding by the Dems. Just look at this thread.

[nathanbedford]

As one who was zotted several times for my criticism of Trump in the run-up to his election, I am fervent in my belief that this forum should always err on the side of free speech even as we must live in a digital public square necessarily vulnerable to well-meaning but zealous domestic conservatives who believe they alone are possessed of the truth but who are difficult to distinguish from malevolent players and hackers.

In the upcoming primary battles, history shows us that it will be nearly impossible to avoid ad hominem invective yet I put that down as the price to be paid for standing on one's hind legs and telling the truth as God gives us the light.

Attorney Gen. Garland shows us almost daily the downside of a world without freedom of thought.

Finally, when it comes to the great prize, the grand championship for verbosity, I yield that to no man and will never yield so long as I have breath in my body and Dragon Naturally Speaking in my software.

All the best,

[Robert DeLong]

I'm still standing with the man that has not profited off of his efforts for this nation and her citizens. He was bold enough to go where no Republican politician would dare venture to, and speaking out about the corrupt members of both parties.

By backing DeSantis you are only splitting the MAGA movement to the delight of the GOPe, of which DeSantis is their Trojan Horse sent to destroy the movement that wants to destroy them.

We will never fix our broken election system, the corruption, or any of the other ills this nation experiences, and things will continue to go downhill at breakneck speed.

I have only one savior, and it's not Trump or DeSantis.

What I am looking for in a leader is one who is a fighter for good. I want a leader whom I can trust his intentions that he has already proven are his intentions.

Trump fits that bill while DeSantis doesn't.

DeSantis is merely aping Trump by acting like a fighter in order to endear himself, for himself, with enough of the tepid MAGA supporters. He's also making himself a target of the media to gain credibility with a percentage of MAGA supporters. Supporters that do not realize that our strength lies in numbers. Divide those numbers into two separate groups, and the movement dies. This is an age old known tactic to defeat a real threat if it can be successfully executed.

Feel proud that you are succumbing to their tactics?

They know there is a significant percentage of MAGA supporters who will buy the GOPes' propaganda campaign of Trump being a 3-time loser. He is no such thing. All 3 loses, the 2018 mid-term, the 2020 election, and the 2022 mid-term elections were all orchestrations by the Uniparty to thwart the MAGA movement. For they know that the MAGA movement is the most serious threat they have ever faced, which is why they are looking for a wedge to break apart the movement. That is where Ron DeSantis comes in, and why he won, and won big, in Florida gubernatorial reelection bid.

Sadly, you have bought into their campaign hook, line, and sinker because you refuse to see Ron DeSantis for who he truly is, and what his real role is here.

Ron DeSantis will be richly rewarded while they keep fleecing you & your family & the rest of America's citizenry. Remember my words, so that when you see my words becoming reality you will know that you were warned.

In addition, say bye bye to this nation and its revival. For it will continue its slide into the shithole it is rapidly becoming.

[hcmama]

Thank you for the thoughtful reply. We need more of this.

I was a reluctant Trump supporter in 2016 and an enthusiastic one in 2020. There is no one more worthy of a vindication arc than Donald Trump. He was the subject of four years of lies and deceit. I don't think there has been one man in his position that has had the combined forces of the government, the media, and the popular culture arrayed against him the way he did.

As I said earlier, I will never not defend him for the relentlessly corrupt campaign of lies and smears waged against him. Which makes it all the more frustrating because Trump himself so often plays right into his enemy's hands.

THe bottom line for me is this: no matter how badly Donald Trump was treated, the presidency can't be offered up as a sacrificial lamb for Trump's need to exact justice, much less revenge.

[Robert DeLong]

Just a few posts up, you said you support Trump for 2024. So why the statement?