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Ukraine and The Lost Lessons of Vietnam
US Russia Accord ^ | Jan 31, 2023 | James Carden

Posted on 01/31/2023 8:33:11 PM PST by Antioch

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A painfully introspective but necessary read. We should have learned of the perils of groupthink and tribalism after Vietnam, the shameful Afghanistan exit, the liquidation of the Iraqi Chaldean Christians and especially after the last two years of internecine cruelty brought by the Faucian Plague. Yet here we are draining the lifeblood out of a new nation and for what?
1 posted on 01/31/2023 8:33:11 PM PST by Antioch
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To: Antioch

The Russians live in a country with a very harsh climate.

They have endurance.


2 posted on 01/31/2023 8:39:23 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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[Yet here we are draining the lifeblood out of a new nation and for what? ]


I wouldn’t call Russia a new nation.


3 posted on 01/31/2023 8:40:05 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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I’m talking about Ukraine. Russia is doing fine after round 10 of sanctions.


4 posted on 01/31/2023 8:46:18 PM PST by Antioch (Against stupidity even the Gods struggle in vain….)
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So Afghanistan withdrawal is a successful U.S. policy?


5 posted on 01/31/2023 8:49:26 PM PST by lonestar67 (America is exceptional)
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To: Brian Griffin

>> They have endurance.

The US suffers from Youth Soccer


6 posted on 01/31/2023 8:52:04 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: lonestar67

Yes, according to Thoroughly Modern Milley.


7 posted on 01/31/2023 8:52:29 PM PST by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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You’re f’in d*mn right it is.


8 posted on 01/31/2023 8:53:16 PM PST by Sapwolf (Talkers are usually more articulate than doers, since talk is their specialty. -Sowell)
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While the war has seemingly ground to a stalemate

A rather bizarre and inaccurate assumption given how many Ukrainians are being fed into the Russian meat grinder daily.

9 posted on 01/31/2023 8:54:10 PM PST by Kazan
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To: Brian Griffin

That’s Moscow. Sochi is far better


10 posted on 01/31/2023 8:59:30 PM PST by Cronos
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To: Zhang Fei

Are you blind? Have you no concept of national debt?
The debt is not just a number on paper. It is real money to be paid back with interest. In fiscal 2023 US Treasury will pay out 2/3 Trillion dollars in interest alone on national debt. We are a bankrupt nation. Every dollar spent in foreign wars adds to national debt because of chronic budget deficits.

31,500,000,000,000 debt already!


11 posted on 01/31/2023 9:01:37 PM PST by entropy12 (Food is most popular anxiety drug, exercise is the least popular.)
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To: Antioch

The problem with this analysis is that the roles are reversed.

Vietnam was a great victory for the USSR. The US is playing the role of the USSR this time around. The Russians are the US. Maybe Russians need to learn from other people?

Or Afghanistan. The US won there too, by supporting the Afghans. The Soviets were also the US.

Other people make mistakes too.

The problem with US political controversies is that everyone is terminally parochial.


12 posted on 01/31/2023 9:02:48 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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The problem with this analysis is that the roles are reversed.

Vietnam was a great victory for the USSR. The US is playing the role of the USSR this time around. The Russians are the US. Maybe Russians need to learn from other people?

Or Afghanistan. The US won there too, by supporting the Afghans. The Soviets were also the US.

Other people make mistakes too.

The problem with US political controversies is that everyone is terminally parochial.


13 posted on 01/31/2023 9:03:00 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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” In the decades following his 1991 pronouncement, the United States has been at war in one form or another for all but two of the 32 years that have followed.”
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And running up $31 trillion of debt in the process, which is more of a threat to our national security than Russia is.


14 posted on 01/31/2023 9:11:09 PM PST by jimwatx
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To: Sapwolf

You are woefully mistaken.


15 posted on 01/31/2023 9:13:00 PM PST by lonestar67 (America is exceptional)
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By the miles of Bremer walls in Iraq and Afghanistan, I’d call both nation-building exercises a resounding defeat. 2024-DCF2-740-F-4218-9864-B5-B056792658
16 posted on 01/31/2023 9:29:19 PM PST by Antioch (Against stupidity even the Gods struggle in vain….)
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>> Yet here we are draining the lifeblood out of a new nation and for what? <<

Yep. For what?

I have learned the hard way by experience from both individual personal as well as national experience, the Biblical admonition:

"Never take up someone else's offenses."
You will likely hurt not only yourself, but every else involved when it is none of your business.
17 posted on 02/01/2023 12:30:13 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux (Let There Be [God's] Light!) )
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From my profile page …

"How does any rational or caring human being watch us lose a 20-year war against cave-dwelling barbarians, and not just lose that war, but lose it in the most humiliating fashion imaginable, and less than a year later already have a war-boner for Ukraine?" -- John Nolte, 3/5/2022

18 posted on 02/01/2023 1:15:38 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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Interestingly, the cave dwelling barbarians depended on regular arms supplies from the Pakistanis. In this case the US is the Pakistanis.


19 posted on 02/01/2023 1:36:52 AM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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Russia’s soldiers are dying in Ukraine, not ours. Russia is in a quagmire.


20 posted on 02/01/2023 3:27:17 AM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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