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Ukraine is shaping up as a forever war
The Times UK ^ | Tuesday January 31 2023, 9.00pm GMT | Roger Boyes

Posted on 01/31/2023 7:53:25 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum

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To: ganeemead

There are millions of low-information zombie voters who think Biden has been just dandy. After all, the news media told them so. That could all change quickly however, now that there are signs that the media is preparing to dump Biden for 2024. The morons will then listen closely to learn who they are supposed to idolize next.


41 posted on 02/01/2023 5:22:10 AM PST by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Of course all that is assuming that Russia wants to play forever war with the west


42 posted on 02/01/2023 5:38:21 AM PST by rottweiller_inc (inter canem et lupum)
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To: rottweiller_inc

They might just decide to give you the nuclear war you want so badly.


43 posted on 02/01/2023 5:50:22 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is ████ █ ██████ ███████ ███ ██████ ██ ████████. FJB.)
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To: MarMema

If there is a nuclear option, mitigate the expenditure by launching a couple of MIRVs into Chernobyl reconstituting the resulting fallout.


44 posted on 02/01/2023 6:10:06 AM PST by Clutch Martin ("The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right." )
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To: Beowulf9

“Remember when all the dems kept saying Trump was going to get into a war?

And take note of how many leftists are backing the Shatinpants Biden adventure.

Howdydoody hippies turned into warpigs.


45 posted on 02/01/2023 6:14:23 AM PST by Clutch Martin ("The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right." )
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To: Antioch

1. China will never recognize the temporary, partial Russian annexation of the 4 Donbas Ukrainian provinces. That is bad for China vis-a-vis Taiwan or Ladakh or Arunachal Pradesh

2. “ they buy all the Russian commodities formerly destined for the EU” —> actually they don’t buy all. Because the Russians can’t shift that from west to east so quickly

3. “they supply chips too” — the Chinese haven’t supplied any to the Russians during the war


46 posted on 02/01/2023 7:43:21 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos

“There have been diplomatic statements of support for Ukraine’s territorial integrity, “

Please provide a link.

Putin and Xi are firmly committed to an alliance to bring into town a multipolar world.
It is why countries are lined up around the block to join brics.
We have sanctioned them to the moon, frozen their billions in gold and kept it. and bullied them endlessly to take our position or else.

Most of the world is done with us. And they are removing the dollar from world circulation, buying gold, and planning for the new multipolar world.


47 posted on 02/01/2023 8:48:32 AM PST by MarMema (Orange Putin Bad)
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To: Cronos

“Chinese President Xi Jinping presented China and Russia, together, as “responsible global powers” bent on securing the emergence of multipolarity, and refusing the arbitrary “order” imposed by the United States and its unipolar worldview.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov pronounced Xi’s bilateral conversation with President Vladimir Putin as “excellent.” Xi Jinping, previous to their meeting, and addressing Putin directly, had already stressed the common Russia-China objectives:

“In the face of the colossal changes of our time on a global scale, unprecedented in history, we are ready with our Russian colleagues to set an example of a responsible world power and play a leading role in order to put such a rapidly changing world on the trajectory of sustainable and positive development.”

https://thecradle.co/article-view/15771/samarkand-spirit-to-be-driven-by-responsible-powers-russia-and-china


48 posted on 02/01/2023 9:02:32 AM PST by MarMema (Orange Putin Bad)
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To: Renfrew; Antioch

The problem with your argument there Antioch is that far from the money printing presses being switched off by BRICS, their endgame is to make international standards around money transfers redundant by eliminating any governance or restriction on how states print money.

Why do you think bust banana republics are banging on the BRICS door to be let in?

Russia’s already priming itself for this. It wants the West to pay for stuff in Roubles and it won’t have any agency on the planet telling it how much a Rouble is worth in real terms. You keep watching.

Russia is so corrupt that it wouldn’t surprise me if they try telling the West, the East, and anyone else outside BRICS that the Rouble has collapsed, so everything paid for in Roubles suddenly has a tenfold price hike... and by a complete miracle Moscow will announce separately to BRICS that the Rouble has increased in value tenfold overnight so they can all rejoice in the cost of stuff they buy from Russia plummeting.

Of course the flaw in that is, Russia doesn’t make anything that anyone not living in the third world would be dumb or desperate enough enough to buy. Not to worry though, that’s why they need gray import markets until they can buy new stuff direct from BRICS. Or they can just carry on stealing white goods, televisions and toilets from Ukraine.


49 posted on 02/01/2023 9:37:47 AM PST by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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To: Cronos
"China wants Putin to retreat and be the good little vassal state to the Middle kingdom"

Quite a hoot coming from the US colony where you claim to reside.

"Few of those countries, apart from Russophobic entities such as Poland, can justify to their own populations sending huge sums of direct aid to a failed state. So it will fall to the Brussels-based EU machine to do just enough to maintain Ukraine in an economic coma – independent from any input from member-states and institutions.

Then Polish President Andrzej Duda met with Zelensky in Kiev. The slew of agreements the two signed indicate that Warsaw intends to profit handsomely from the war to enhance its politico-military, economic, and cultural influence in western Ukraine. Polish nationals will be allowed to be elected to Ukrainian government bodies and even aim to become constitutional judges.

In practice, that means Kiev is all but transferring management of the Ukrainian failed state to Poland. Warsaw won’t even have to send troops. Call it a soft annexation.

What American armchair and TV generals simply cannot comprehend is that in Russia’s view of this war – which military expert Andrei Martyanov defines as a “combined arms and police operation” – the two top targets are the destruction of all military assets of the enemy while preserving the life of its own soldiers.

So while losing tanks is not a big deal for Moscow, losing lives is. And that accounts for those massive Russian bombings; each military target must be conclusively destroyed. Precision strikes are crucial.

There is a raging debate among Russian military experts on why the Ministry of Defense does not go for a fast strategic victory. They could have reduced Ukraine to rubble – American style – in no time. That’s not going to happen. The Russians prefer to advance slowly and surely, in a sort of steamroller pattern. They only advance after sappers have fully surveilled the terrain; after all there are mines everywhere.

So the key question, as several Russian military experts have stressed, is not when Kiev will ‘lose’ as a point of no return; it is how many soldiers Moscow is prepared to lose to get to this point.

Zelensky will be fine. He’s protected by British and American special forces. The family is reportedly living in an $8 million mansion in Israel. He owns a $34 million villa in Miami Beach, and another in Tuscany. Average Ukrainians were lied to, robbed, and in many cases, murdered, by the Kiev gang he presides over – oligarchs, security service (SBU) fanatics, neo-Nazis. And those Ukrainians that remain (10 million have already fled) will continue to be treated as expendable.

Meanwhile, Russian President Vladimir “the new Hitler” Putin is in absolutely no hurry to end this larger than life drama that is ruining and rotting the already decaying west to its core. Why should he? He tried everything, since 2007, on the “why can’t we get along” front. Putin was totally rejected. So now it’s time to sit back, relax, and watch the Decline of the West.

50 posted on 02/01/2023 9:54:25 AM PST by MarMema (Orange Putin Bad)
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To: Cronos

https://thecradle.co/article-view/10803/nato-vs-russia-what-happens-next


51 posted on 02/01/2023 9:55:03 AM PST by MarMema (Orange Putin Bad)
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