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Russia Pours Fighters Into Battle for Bakhmut
The New York Times ^ | January 31, 2023

Posted on 01/31/2023 6:13:32 PM PST by MinorityRepublican

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To: ought-six

“When you wish bad to someone else then you bring it on yourself. God justice.”

You have some nerve to say that.==

It is just a English translation if one well-known Russian proverb.


21 posted on 01/31/2023 6:46:49 PM PST by nickfrost1
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To: MinorityRepublican

“Yep. Russia is going to demand Ukraine give up territory for a peace deal.”

That was the whole purpose for Russia invading in the first place. Russia doesn’t give a rat’s ass about people; but it covets what others have, and always has. That’s one of the reasons Russian soldiers loot like wild men whenever they take a town: Toilets; washing machines; fridges; cars; anything that is not nailed down or already destroyed; and they send all that crap back home.

Russia wants the natural resources of eastern Ukraine, and it does not want an economic rival for the development of those resources.


22 posted on 01/31/2023 6:47:23 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Antioch

True but we did not send them to be slaughtered

When you send in mass numbers just to run the enemy out of troops while losing far more
Yes that is crude


23 posted on 01/31/2023 6:49:42 PM PST by blitz128
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To: Antioch

“I don’t remember the consensus media using that term when America poured superior members into Panama, Grenada or Kuwait.”

What are you talking about. We sent next to no troops to Panama and Grenada. In Grenada we committed a TOTAL of 7,600 troops, from all branches; and that INCLUDED troops from Jamaica. In Panama, we had less than 28,000 total (and that included forces we already had based in Panama).


24 posted on 01/31/2023 6:52:29 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: MeganC

The Russians are a funny bunch aren’t they? They invade someone else’s country,==

We NOT invading but we are liberating our historic lands which was given to ukies by soviet commies. SO our cause is JUST.

BTW ukies hold a lot of POLISH land too. Poland has all rights to take it back.

I said I hope the Russians brought body bags ===

You may try lie to all us here not to God. He see you and he knows what in your heart. Evil resentment toward Russians.

And God will judge you for that. That is what I said to you. If you wish harm to someone else then same harm will come to you by God.


25 posted on 01/31/2023 6:52:43 PM PST by nickfrost1
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To: ought-six

Russia wants the natural resources of eastern Ukraine, ==

There is no such thing as “eastern Ukraine”. There is NOVOROSSIYA. It is Russian lands taken by soviet commies and given to Ukraine.


26 posted on 01/31/2023 6:55:09 PM PST by nickfrost1
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To: MeganC

“The Russians are a funny bunch aren’t they? They invade someone else’s country, get their butts kicked, and then they blame the country they invaded for their own casualties.”

They’ve always been like that. Typical bully mindset.

Russians have never been a free people. They have historically been insecure and paranoid; and, as all bullies, they pick fights with smaller and weaker neighbors to feel some sense of worth.


27 posted on 01/31/2023 6:56:02 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Antioch
Why is going into battle with superior numbers a “crude tactic” when Russia does it?

Because they are poorly trained and poorly armed. The only thing they have in their favor is those superior numbers. Western military forces try to at least equalize the weaponry to that of their opponents (if not better it) and also minimize casualties to their own forces. Russian forces do not operate under such policies.

The Russian strategy can be more effective than the Western strategy under some conditions. It fails in other conditions. We are about to find out what conditions we actually have here in a short order.

28 posted on 01/31/2023 7:03:57 PM PST by flamberge (Never bet on the end of the world. How are ya gonna collect if you win?)
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To: nickfrost1; MeganC

“We NOT invading but we are liberating our historic lands which was given to ukies by soviet commies. SO our cause is JUST.”

You’re invading another country, tovarisch.

Ukraine is an independent and sovereign nation, and recognized as such ever since December, 1991 and January, 1992. Even RUSSIA recognized and accepted Ukraine as such (in fact, Russia was one of the first to do so; and that included the Ukrainian borders at that time!). You’re not liberating squat: You’re taking over the natural resources of a neighbor; so don’t give me this virtuous liberator crap.

“BTW ukies hold a lot of POLISH land too. Poland has all rights to take it back.”

Oh, you mean Polish land that the Soviet Union took from Poland?

You have a rag on about Ukraine. You need to get over it.

“You may try lie to all us here not to God. He see you and he knows what in your heart. Evil resentment toward Russians.”

Don’t you think God recognizes your evil resentment toward Ukraine?

“And God will judge you for that. That is what I said to you. If you wish harm to someone else then same harm will come to you by God.”

Then God has your number.


29 posted on 01/31/2023 7:09:20 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: MinorityRepublican

I’ve said for nearly a year now. Russia just sends their troops to the slaughter until their enemy runs out of ammo or willingness to kill russians.


30 posted on 01/31/2023 7:11:39 PM PST by for-q-clinton (Cancel Culture IS fascism...Let's start calling it that!)
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To: nickfrost1

“There is no such thing as “eastern Ukraine”. There is NOVOROSSIYA. It is Russian lands taken by soviet commies and given to Ukraine.”

You don’t even know your own damn history. Kruschev transferred Crimea from the Russian SSR to the Ukrainian SSR in 1954. Transferred legally. Thus, Crimea became part of Ukraine. Or, are you now admitting Russia is an “Indian giver?” That’s an old American term for someone who gives a gift, then wants it back.


31 posted on 01/31/2023 7:12:47 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six

You’re invading another country, tovarisch.===

I’m not tovarisch to you. Call me sir please.

Ukraine is an independent and sovereign nation, and recognized as such ever since December, 1991 and January, 1992. Even RUSSIA recognized and accepted Ukraine as such ==

I’m NOT against existence of Ukraine. Let them exist and live.

I’m against their keeping out land NOVOROSSIYA. See even the name of land says that it is Russian not Ukraine.

When we will liberate our land war will be over.

“BTW ukies hold a lot of POLISH land too. Poland has all rights to take it back.”

Oh, you mean Polish land that the Soviet Union took from Poland?==

Yeah exactly. Soviet commies did to Poland same thing which they did to Russia.

Don’t you think God recognizes your evil resentment toward Ukraine?==

God knows I don’t have such thing toward Ukraine. I just want them to give back our land. Or liberate our land as they refuse.

Otherwise I have nothing to fight over with them.

“And God will judge you for that. That is what I said to you. If you wish harm to someone else then same harm will come to you by God.”

Then God has your number.===

You talk funny)). Are you Christian or any believer?


32 posted on 01/31/2023 7:20:01 PM PST by nickfrost1
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To: Mariner
"The only sources for the article are Ukrainians."

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That is standard for the MSM. The only problem is that everything the Ukrainians say is bull$8it.

33 posted on 01/31/2023 7:22:09 PM PST by Neanderthal (Let's go, Brandon!)
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To: nickfrost1

“I’m NOT against existence of Ukraine. Let them exist and live.”

Then get the hell out of Ukraine and let them exist and let them live.

“I’m against their keeping out land NOVOROSSIYA. See even the name of land says that it is Russian not Ukraine.”

If it is land within Ukraine’s recognized and accepted borders then it is Ukrainian land, not Russian land (or whatever new name you are applying to it). Russia recognized and accepted those borders. But now, Putin comes along and thinks differently.

“When we will liberate our land war will be over.”

It is not your land.

“Soviet commies did to Poland same thing which they did to Russia.”

You think there were no Russian Soviets? You really think that? Russia WAS the USSR; without Russia the USSR never would have existed.

“Are you Christian or any believer?”

Yeah.


34 posted on 01/31/2023 7:32:24 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six

Then get the hell out of Ukraine and let them exist and let them live.==

Again we want to return back our lands Novorosossiya and Malorossiya which they hold and not returning.

If it is land within Ukraine’s recognized and accepted borders then it is Ukrainian land, ==

Recognition by who? Russian recognizes their existence but Russia didn’t recognize their grab of our lands. It all what matters for us.

“Are you Christian or any believer?”

Yeah.==

They don’t recognize biblically truth. “What you wish to your brother will come upon you”.

I wish ukie well but they must give up out lands.


35 posted on 01/31/2023 7:48:41 PM PST by nickfrost1
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To: ought-six

You think there were no Russian Soviets? You really think that? Russia WAS the USSR; without Russia the USSR never would have existed.===

They were of cause. But we didn’t run USSR. First the CPSU leader of Russian decent was Gorby who buried USSR. It is a fact of history.


36 posted on 01/31/2023 7:50:48 PM PST by nickfrost1
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To: flamberge

These are myths that need to be put to rest…

If the Russians are so poorly trained and armed, how is it that they completely rolled up the CIA’s seven year, multi-billion dollar insurgency in Syria? They knocked out all that superior technology from Abrams tanks on down. It must be the training. Plus, there are at least a dozen Russian weapons systems that have no US equivalent of defence against. S-500, S400 air defence systems, Kinzal and Iskander missiles, Avongard hypersonic glide vehicles, Sarmat ICBM, Poseidon nuclear torpedo, Skyfall nuclear cruise missile, Orion combat drones and on and on…

I find it astonishing, how, fresh from defeat by the rag-wearing Taliban, America would go to war with an advanced superpower and think there would be a better outcome.


37 posted on 01/31/2023 7:54:38 PM PST by Antioch (Against stupidity even the Gods struggle in vain….)
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To: nickfrost1

Thank you for confirming you are an actual Russian. It puts a lot of your comments in context.

As for Russia “liberating” the so-called “Novorossiya”, those areas have NEVER had an ethnic Russian majority, despite whatever the Russians may call the territory. It is ethnically Ukrainian and has been for centuries.


38 posted on 01/31/2023 8:12:40 PM PST by Salohcin
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To: Salohcin

As for Russia “liberating” the so-called “Novorossiya”, those areas have NEVER had an ethnic Russian majority, despite whatever the Russians may call the territory. ==

Ethnic Ukrainians appeared to be only in 20th century. And they was established by soviet commies by so called “ukraninization” process. Ukraine is absolutely artificial creation of commies. Before them there were NO Ukraine at all.

Same commies had given Novorossiya to established Ukraine. That are facts.

Secondly the today population of Novorossiya voted on referendum to become a part of Russia.

SO after some delays because of Minsk process which they say today was a ruse of West, Russia started liberation of Novorossiya and Malorossiya. Both territories are NOT Ukraine according their names.


39 posted on 01/31/2023 8:29:51 PM PST by nickfrost1
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To: MinorityRepublican

This has been reported elsewhere.

First line of Russian troops: Released Convicts

Second line of Russian troops: Contractors/Mercinaries

Third line (protected): Actual Russian Army members


40 posted on 01/31/2023 8:43:46 PM PST by Golden Eagle (The LGBT indoctrination agenda is designed to outlaw the Bible, and anyone who believes it.)
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