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Croatian president slams Western arms to Ukraine
Al Jazeera ^ | 1/30/2023 | Al Jazeera and News Agencies

Posted on 01/30/2023 8:03:04 AM PST by Nextrush

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To: Nextrush

Fighting back against rapists, armed robbers, burglars, thugs, tyrants, etc. is wrong...said every criminal ever.


21 posted on 01/30/2023 8:46:39 AM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: Nextrush

Hitler once said that starting a war was like walking into a dark room—you never know what you will run into. “The Great Reseat” may not turn out the way the Globalists want—some may well lose their heads. Too many believe this will be like WW II—it will not. We might well lose this one. Russia is setting us up—he’s arranging the chess board with new alliances. Look what China Said today? Look what North Korea is saying and doing? South Africa is fliting with Russia and so are South American Nations. Even the Philippines is making nice with Xi. This could spin out of control fast. Woke life may well be the last thing to worry about soon—life itself may well be at stake. We need a strong leader NOW—even Hillary would be better than Biden!


22 posted on 01/30/2023 9:03:17 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade ( Ride to the sound of the Guns!)
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To: Bulwyf

Crazy, right?


23 posted on 01/30/2023 9:43:50 AM PST by EEGator
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To: EEGator

Extremely. It’s as if the majority of people lost their critical thinking abilities in the last 3 years here on FR.


24 posted on 01/30/2023 10:25:36 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf

Almost every discussion/subject/argument has been framed as binary in scope.
It’s not a good sign, especially if we’re the “in the know” crowd.


25 posted on 01/30/2023 10:27:49 AM PST by EEGator
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To: EEGator

Yes, well, I am alarmed that people aren’t wanting to pump the brakes. I guess revelations here we come.


26 posted on 01/30/2023 10:38:58 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: ought-six

Exercising control over Croatia’s military is the exact opposite of ceremonial political office .

-fJRoberts-


27 posted on 01/30/2023 10:42:26 AM PST by A strike ("The worse, the better."-.Lenin (& Schwab & Soros)
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To: A strike

“Exercising control over Croatia’s military is the exact opposite of ceremonial political office.”

I was quoting the article.

In any event, I disagree with your conclusion. Under the Croation constitution the president cannot declare war or commit the Croatian armed forces to combat.

From Britannica:

“Constitutional amendments in 2000 reduced the importance of the president, who thenceforth served solely as head of state, and increased the power of the parliament and of the prime minister, who assumed the role of head of government. The president continues to nominate the prime minister, but the Sabor must confirm the appointment. In addition, the prime minister is typically the head of the leading party in the Sabor.”


28 posted on 01/30/2023 11:56:40 AM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: A strike

An addendum to my post#28:

https://thehill.com/policy/international/591327-croatias-president-says-it-will-not-send-troops-if-russia-ukraine/


29 posted on 01/30/2023 12:03:26 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six

“Under the Croatian constitution the president cannot declare war or commit Croatian armed forces to combat.”
Well then he doesn’t actually exercise control of Croatia’s military does he ?

-fJRoberts-


30 posted on 01/30/2023 12:25:55 PM PST by A strike ("The worse, the better."-.Lenin (& Schwab & Soros)
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To: A strike

“Well then he doesn’t actually exercise control of Croatia’s military does he?”

Yes, he does; but that control has limitations.

In Croatia, the Prime Minister is the head of government, and the president is head of state; which, in today’s world, is largely ceremonial in countries that have a constitution.

From Wikepedia:

“The Commander-in-Chief of all Croatian armed forces in peace and war is the President of the Republic. The Commander-in-Chief prescribes the organisation of the Croatian Armed Forces at the proposal of the Chief of General Staff, with consent of the Minister of Defence. The Armed Forces consist of peacetime and wartime components.”

So, even as “commander-in-chief” he merely implements what the government dictates. It is a titular role.


31 posted on 01/30/2023 12:43:56 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Nextrush

I have been reading his numerous statements like this elsewhere.. Surprised!


32 posted on 01/30/2023 12:45:29 PM PST by MarMema (Orange Putin Bad)
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To: PGR88

You beat me to it!!


33 posted on 01/30/2023 12:46:01 PM PST by MarMema (Orange Putin Bad)
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To: Bulwyf

A decent number of the proglobalist posters here are not American.

French, Brit, Canadian, Polish, Basque.

They won’t be on the receiving end of Russian nukes and maybe they want us to be.


34 posted on 01/30/2023 12:54:11 PM PST by MarMema (Orange Putin Bad)
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To: ought-six

Uh huh
IOW no actual control.

-fJRoberts-


35 posted on 01/30/2023 12:55:27 PM PST by A strike ("The worse, the better."-.Lenin (& Schwab & Soros)
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To: A strike

This explains the president’s role vis-a-vis the president in more detail:

Again, from Wikipedia:


NATIONAL SECURITY AND DEFENSE

The president of Croatia is the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of the Republic of Croatia and appoints and relieves military commanders of duty, esp. the chief of general staff, conforming to applicable legislation. The President confers ranks on (and promotes) commissioned officers and generals/admirals, upon minister’s proposal.

The president cooperates with the government directing operation of the Croatian security and intelligence system. The president and the prime minister jointly appoint heads of the security agencies, and the president may attend cabinet meetings, taking part in discussions held at such meetings. The president and the prime minister jointly convene Defense Council as well as the National Security Council; the president chairs these councils and their meetings.

The president of Croatia is supported in his defense and national security duties and responsibilities by the Military Cabinet (Vojni ured) as a part of the Office of the President, staffed by commissioned officers. The President works closely with the Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces.

WAR AND STATE OF EMERGENCY

Pursuant to decisions of the parliament, the president declares war and concludes peace. In cases of immediate threats to the independence, unity and existence of the state, the president may order the use of armed forces, even if no state of war is declared, provided that such an order is countersigned by the prime minister. During a state of war, the president may promulgate regulations with the force of law on the basis of, and within the scope of, authority obtained from the parliament. In such circumstances, the president may convene government cabinet meetings and preside over them. If the parliament is not in session, the president is authorized to regulate all matters required by the state of war through regulations carrying the force of law. In case of an immediate threat to the independence, unity and existence of the state, or if the governmental bodies are prevented from performing their constitutional duties regularly, the president may, at the proposal of the prime minister, issue regulations carrying the force of law. Such regulations must also be countersigned by the prime minister to become valid. The president is required to submit regulations that are promulgated thus to the parliament for approval as soon as the parliament may convene, otherwise the regulations become void.


So, the powers a Croation president has is not unilateral and is not arbitrary: Rather, they are conditional, and he or she must coordinate with and concur with the government, even in emergencies. So, on paper he (or she) is “commander-in-chief,” but not SUPREME commander in chief.


36 posted on 01/30/2023 1:06:20 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: A strike

“IOW no actual control.”

Did you even read what I posted?

But, if we are to go with your perception of his role, he is more a titular head than even I have shown; in which case his comments about Ukraine are about as valid and meaningful as those of a vendor selling chestnuts on the streets of Zagreb.

In other words, they mean jack@#$%.


37 posted on 01/30/2023 1:11:19 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: MarMema

I’m Albertan, and I don’t want things to escalate. I don’t want anything the globalists do.


38 posted on 01/30/2023 1:28:22 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf

“I don’t want anything the globalists do.”

I’m glad to hear that. Because that means you oppose BRICS, which is a globalist agenda representing Europe (Russia), Asia (China and India), Africa (South Africa), and South America (Brazil). BRICS is seeking to expand into the Middle East, as well.


39 posted on 01/30/2023 1:37:43 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Bulwyf

I know FRiend. You are an exception.


40 posted on 01/30/2023 3:12:00 PM PST by MarMema (Orange Putin Bad)
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