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Avoiding a Long War - U.S. Policy and the Trajectory of the Russia-Ukraine Conflict (Russia is winning, US needs off ramp)
RAND CORP (that's right) ^

Posted on 01/29/2023 8:50:51 AM PST by BusterDog

Discussion of the Russia-Ukraine war in Washington is increasingly dominated by the question of how it might end. To inform this discussion, this Perspective identifies ways in which the war could evolve and how alternative trajectories would affect U.S. interests. The authors argue that, in addition to minimizing the risks of major escalation, U.S. interests would be best served by avoiding a protracted conflict. The costs and risks of a long war in Ukraine are significant and outweigh the possible benefits of such a trajectory for the United States.

(Excerpt) Read more at rand.org ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: commietrolls4putin; notourwar; putinisgay; soviettrollsonfr; zotsoviettrolls
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To: budj

No leftist, every bullet Russia sends over kills Ukrainians. The ones we we send over kill our Russian enemy.

Think of all the lives we could have saved by simply saying Heil Hitler.


41 posted on 01/29/2023 9:35:17 AM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: BobL
But what the hell, it will ‘teach Putin a lesson’, assuming our missiles get past their S-400s on those Moscow rooftops.

Or even worse...

We all get blasted back to the stone age by the big bomb!

42 posted on 01/29/2023 9:35:44 AM PST by icclearly
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To: BusterDog

Fake and dishonest title. Nowhere in the original headline or article does it say that “Russia is winning.”


43 posted on 01/29/2023 9:40:53 AM PST by Salohcin
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To: BusterDog

The Ukie spambot “RevMumsie” shrieks like a vampire seeing a silver cross when you post Mercouris stuff on her propaganda threads...


44 posted on 01/29/2023 9:48:26 AM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Williams

“Now there is a reasoned argument.”

You are an individual of such poor quality you cannot be argued with. You are cut from bad cloth to be mocked, isolated, and quarantined.

The US is afraid of something and firing in all directions. The empire is dying because of it’s dishonest, malicious behavior. You are just a blind zombie in this effort. Nothing. You are nothing.


45 posted on 01/29/2023 9:48:27 AM PST by Chunga85 (An arrogant govt combined with an ignorant population is a recipe for disaster.)
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To: BobL

>>The Rand Corporation might as well move out of DC and to Idaho or somewhere else

Their headquarters are in Santa Monica, CA with offices in Boston, Pittsburg, DC, Cambridge UK, and Brussels.


46 posted on 01/29/2023 9:48:46 AM PST by FarCenter
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To: Salohcin

Russia is winning, Nickie.


47 posted on 01/29/2023 9:48:50 AM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Williams

Russia is not my enemy, you and your propaganda are.


48 posted on 01/29/2023 9:48:56 AM PST by JoSixChip (2020: The year of unreported truths; 2021: My main take away from this year? Trust no one.)
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To: BusterDog

Ironically, RAND wrote a report in 2019 on how a war in Ukraine could be used to “extend Russia,” weaken it, promote “regime change,” etc...

Everything mentioned in that report has since been tried - and failed.

Now they have changed their tune.

Hmmmmm.


49 posted on 01/29/2023 9:49:08 AM PST by PGR88 (, )
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To: BusterDog

Continuation of the introduction on page 2 —

Some analysts make the case that the war is heading toward an outcome that would benefit the United States and Ukraine. Ukraine had battlefield momentum as of December 2022 and could conceivably fight until it succeeds in pushing the Russian military out of the country. Proponents of this view argue that the risks of Russian nuclear use or a war with the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) will remain manageable. Once it is forced out of Ukraine, a chastened Russia would have little choice but to leave its neighbor in peace—and even pay reparations for the damage it caused. However, studies of past conflicts and a close look at the course of this one suggest that this optimistic scenario is improbable.

In this Perspective, therefore, we explore possible trajectories that the Russia-Ukraine war could take and how they might affect U.S. interests. We also consider what the United States could do to influence the course of the conflict.

An important caveat: This Perspective focuses on U.S. interests, which often align with but are not synonymous with Ukrainian interests. We acknowledge that Ukrainians have been the ones fighting and dying to protect their country against an unprovoked, illegal, and morally repugnant Russian invasion. Their cities have been flattened; their economy has been decimated; they have been the victims of the Russian army’s war crimes. However, the U.S. government nevertheless has an obligation to its citizens to determine how different war trajectories would affect U.S. interests and explore options for influencing the course of the war to promote those interests.


50 posted on 01/29/2023 9:56:11 AM PST by FarCenter
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To: BusterDog

so somebody’s got a way to get Zelensky’s hand to release the stones of the UniParty in DC?

That would be a President Trump BTW


51 posted on 01/29/2023 10:03:19 AM PST by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you don't understand, no explanation is possible)
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To: BusterDog

But, the makers of war machinery, and politicians come away fat and happy.


52 posted on 01/29/2023 10:32:40 AM PST by Sir Bangaz Cracka (Poor 'lil Travon bees slamming dat white cracka'a head into dat sidewalk causin he be scared)
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To: AAABEST

What he’s describing is the US postwar/Cold war record.
And it was an enormous success in every way.

Thats just history.

The problem with you guys (those who aren’t Russian trolls) is that you are so embittered by current US domestic politics that you have utterly lost perspective. US politics and culture have turned into a s***show, granted, but your own reactions to that are part of the collateral damage of the decadent state of the US.

It is indeed a bit like the communists of mid-century. The US had become the global economic and military powerhouse, the standard of living of its people was multiples of what it was twenty years earlier, the entire world was getting vastly better off - and the communists called it a disaster, creating a rejection narrative. It is all in Ayn Rand’s essays, check them out.


53 posted on 01/29/2023 11:08:32 AM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Chunga85

“A growing portion of the world hates the US”

That could have been said anytime since 1918. Or earlier.
At the time the international intellectual consensus was leftist, anticapitalist and anti-American. By the 1950’s the Soviet Union, through its fronts, had constructed a group of vaguely hostile countries into the “non-aligned” movement.

There are still echos of that today.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement


54 posted on 01/29/2023 11:15:42 AM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Chunga85
"You are old, Father William," the young man said,
"And your hair has become very white;
And yet you incessantly stand on your head—
Do you think, at your age, it is right?"
55 posted on 01/29/2023 11:17:35 AM PST by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: kiryandil

“The Ukie spambot “RevMumsie” shrieks like a vampire”

*****

Thanks for the heads up, I’ll toss some garlic in one of her threads when I can.


56 posted on 01/29/2023 11:20:28 AM PST by BusterDog
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To: Salohcin

“Fake and dishonest title. Nowhere in the original headline or article does it say that “Russia is winning.”

*****

Wrong. Article is replete with Uke fail inevitably.


57 posted on 01/29/2023 11:23:36 AM PST by BusterDog
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To: Williams

1st nothing in the summary of the article states that Russia is winning.
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Eating corrupted western MSM is clouding your judgment.Not a word on Western MSM about Vlad’s massive missile strike- again, yesterday. It was devastating, both to the grid and the Ukies AA batteries. Western propaganda simply will not cover the Ukies desperation. Best to ditch the democrats Russian Derangement Syndrome, and seek out truth. The war cheerleaders have been deceived, again.

As I saw clearly months ago ( reading non western MSM):

Ukraine 1991-2023 RIP , the quicker the better.


58 posted on 01/29/2023 11:28:03 AM PST by delta7
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To: buwaya

“That could have been said anytime since 1918.”

Your self serving one dimensional supposition fails to account for everything that’s happened over the last 105 years.

You are living out your fantasy life in an old black and white movie, detached from reality that is about to smack you in the face.


59 posted on 01/29/2023 11:35:18 AM PST by Chunga85 (An arrogant govt combined with an ignorant population is a recipe for disaster.)
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To: buwaya
What he’s describing is the US postwar/Cold war record. And it was an enormous success in every way.

Stopped reading there - because you're trying to get laughed off the forum. I don't care who you are, that's some clown-level stuff right there.

And why do you keep posting to me, when you know I think you're an ass?

60 posted on 01/29/2023 11:36:18 AM PST by AAABEST ( NY/DC/LA media/political/military industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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