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Zelensky Dismisses Prospect of Ukraine Peace Talks with ‘Nobody’ Putin
Breitbart ^ | 01-27-2023 | Simon Kent

Posted on 01/27/2023 6:29:20 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27

Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky has rejected the prospect of peace talks with Vladimir Putin while dismissing his Russian counterpart Thursday as a “nobody.”

Zelensky used an interview with Britain’s Sky News to declare Putin “doesn’t want negotiations because he doesn’t want peace.”

The Ukrainian leader said he was “convinced” Ukraine was “just the first step” for Putin, who has his eye on “other countries” as he seeks Eastern European domination.

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To: ChicagoConservative27

I wouldn’t give that putz a previously sucked-on lollipop let alone billions of dollars and weapons of any sort.


41 posted on 01/27/2023 7:31:51 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: GrumpyOldGuy
Sort of like how Zelensky was doing to the Donbas region since 2014.

Well since Zelensky was elected in 2019, doubt he did much in Donbas in 2014. Putin started the civil war in Ukraine, by funding it, arming it and even sending their green men, therefore they are to blame.

42 posted on 01/27/2023 7:32:52 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: Salvavida
Again, the US doesn’t decide what is an existential threat to Russia. Only Russia does that.

Right, so your justifying a new Russian Empire, since they have a right to "decide what is an existential threat to Russia" and therefore invade neighboring independent countries.

43 posted on 01/27/2023 7:36:04 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: tlozo

No, I am a military analyst; I’m not justifying shit. I look at military problems from each side and distill the issue down to one uncomplicated sentence.

The Russians are not going to tolerate any meddling leading to an expansion of NATO influence on their border.

It’s really that simple.


44 posted on 01/27/2023 7:48:58 AM PST by Salvavida (“Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.”)
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To: desertsolitaire

I look at it from the Ukrainian (and Polish, Lithuanian, etc.) point of view.

The gist of the Russian demands is that they keep the territory they are holding and that Ukraine disarms. This is not a viable basis for Ukrainian national survival. There can be no negotiations if these are the Russian demands going in. And there can be no cease fire while negotiating as the Russians will just use the time to build up and reinforce.

After the Russians have taken a breather they will likely revisit the terms of the agreement and impose worse ones, vs a relatively weaker Ukraine. There will be little to stop them from demanding, say, a change of government acceptable to them. That was after all their original war aim.

As far as the rest of Eastern Europe, they are afraid that Russia will eventually try force similar terms on them. Thats why Poland was and is arming as fast as it can.

The key to analysis here is that the locals are the most important players, and that THEY have their own interests and strategy. The Ukrainians, Poles, etc. are not pawns. The truly important questions aren’t decided in Washington, but Kiev and Warsaw.

The leaders in the news arent the most important players either. Local public opinion is critical. Zelensky can’t make concessions his people wont support. They will find someone else.


45 posted on 01/27/2023 7:50:45 AM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Salvavida
The Russians are not going to tolerate any meddling leading to an expansion of NATO influence on their border. It’s really that simple.

Sweden and Finland are joining NATO. Regards

46 posted on 01/27/2023 7:52:01 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: one guy in new jersey

Lithuania will have to take most of Belorussia too, in order to get part of Ukraine.


47 posted on 01/27/2023 7:52:08 AM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Peace talks will occur when he has finally moved $1 billion of Western aid into his Swiss bank account.


48 posted on 01/27/2023 7:54:52 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard (When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: odawg

“Negotiations” conducted in public are normally just dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s on basic agreements arrived at prior.

Its obvious the Russians have not yet, through other channels, made Ukraine an acceptable offer.


49 posted on 01/27/2023 7:55:29 AM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: tlozo

Again, you are looking through American eyes, similar to the Vietnam debacle. The only point of view that is relevant is the Russian perception and what they deem to be an existential threat. That is the key to military analysis: think from the adversary’s view point.


50 posted on 01/27/2023 7:58:38 AM PST by Salvavida (“Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.”)
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To: GrumpyOldGuy

Zelensky was elected in late 2019, not 2014.

As for fighting across the line of contact, sort of like what the Russians and Russian proxies were doing to Ukraine since 2014, as the bombardments, etc. were mutual.


51 posted on 01/27/2023 7:58:42 AM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Salvavida

That is for Russia to decide indeed. But as far as any other party is concerned that analysis is a Russian problem.


52 posted on 01/27/2023 8:00:50 AM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Salvavida

“I cannot forecast to you the action of Russia. It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma; but perhaps there is a key. That key is Russian national interest.” - Winston Churchill


53 posted on 01/27/2023 8:00:51 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Those tanks aren’t for Ukraine. They are for Lithuania.

Ukraine is going to be split in two, with Lithuania getting half.

You just won the most idiotic post of the day award. 🙄

54 posted on 01/27/2023 8:03:53 AM PST by Salohcin
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To: dfwgator

Bingo.


55 posted on 01/27/2023 8:04:31 AM PST by Salvavida (“Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.”)
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To: Salvavida
they deem to be an existential threat.

I disagree that Putin sees Ukraine as an "existential threat" especially since NATO membership was not going to happen anytime soon. I believe Putin sees Ukraine as "Malo Russian", not even a country but an area that should be controlled by Moscow.

“It cannot be stressed enough that without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be an empire, but with Ukraine suborned and then subordinated, Russia automatically becomes an empire.”

― Zbigniew Brzezińsk

56 posted on 01/27/2023 8:05:39 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: Salvavida

Then the Russians can try take concrete measures to assure their neighbors that Russia is no threat to them. How they are going to do that is an exercise for a “military analyst”.

The real key here are the opinions of Russia’s neighbors. Russia is a threat to them. Thats why they were desperate to join NATO.

Thus we all have an impasse. Maybe you can apply your “military analysis” chops to that.


57 posted on 01/27/2023 8:06:41 AM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: odawg
It is always wise to seek negotiations. You just never know what may turn up. However, when huge amounts of wealth and war material are being sent, who cares a hoot about all the death and destruction and destroyed lives.

So we should have sought negotiations with Nazi Germany?

58 posted on 01/27/2023 8:07:53 AM PST by Salohcin
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
Current status:

US/Nato continues to supply the weapons.
Ukrainian military will donate the blood, to the last Ukrainian.
Ukrains power grid in shambles
Ukrain citizens suffering daily
Putin continues to hold and advance his land bridge.

59 posted on 01/27/2023 8:09:35 AM PST by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: Salvavida

“The only point of view that is relevant is the Russian perception”

That is a very strange statement. Russia’s neighbors have their own relevant points of view. Russia doesnt get to rule the world just because the Russians feel like it.


60 posted on 01/27/2023 8:10:12 AM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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