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U.S. prepares to send Abrams tanks to Ukraine in major reversal for Biden administration
NBC News ^ | Jan. 24, 2023 | By Courtney Kube, Mosheh Gains and Carol E. Lee

Posted on 01/25/2023 9:08:29 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182

After weeks of discussion, the Biden administration is preparing to send Abrams tanks to Ukraine, according to three senior U.S. officials.......

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abrams; biden; bidenswar; neocons4war; tanks; ukraine; war; ww3; wwiii
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To: Nextrush

Keep poking the bear. and when he has had enough, poof.


81 posted on 01/25/2023 10:26:32 AM PST by Machavelli (True God)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Without substantial artillery and air cover these just become targets.


82 posted on 01/25/2023 10:28:17 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Machavelli

That is the Plan. Continue prodding him until he reacts. The Neo Cons will keep prodding until they get what they want. Which is all out nuclear war with Russia. It may take them 3 months, 6 months, 6 years but they will keep poking and prodding until they get what they want. They believe that they can survive a nuclear war with Russia.


83 posted on 01/25/2023 10:35:36 AM PST by sport
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To: All

Hey, here’s an idea. Let’s send equipment, advisors, trainers into a combat zone against a nuclear armed adversary. Then we’ll need to create a safe area where our trainers and advisors can train and advise so we’ll need air power. Then we’ll need to protect the air bases with more advisors.then we’ll need secure logistical areas to support the trainers and air assets. Then we can send in forces to protect the logistical hubs. 1964 called and they said “DON’T DO IT”..


84 posted on 01/25/2023 10:37:09 AM PST by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: OKSooner; smileyface; Cats Pajamas

31 is the mirror of the 13, the most common number used for the bloodline family count.

Common folk have been taught to fear “13” as unlucky, so many (if not most) buildings will skip designating a 13th floor on elevators.

For our betters, 31 (13) is their fingerprint, telling those in the know that this exercise is being controlled by the Deep State. (Get on board if you know what’s good for you!)


85 posted on 01/25/2023 10:41:37 AM PST by rx
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To: newnhdad
Let’s send equipment, advisors, trainers into a combat zone against a nuclear armed adversary.

Sending equipment into a combat zone, yes, but advisors and trainers are sent to NATO countries like Poland, where the Ukrainians are trained on the equipment(tanks).

86 posted on 01/25/2023 10:52:33 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: Magnum44

One in OIF during the mid 2000s was disabled by an RPG-7. That was a big deal because it was thought that wasn’t possible. Combat research people inspected that tank for a year trying to figure it out.

Some were also disabled by large IEDs.

Now, these weren’t destroyed, but the crew was either incapacitated or the tank was unable to continue its mission.


87 posted on 01/25/2023 11:05:06 AM PST by Nathan _in_Arkansas (Hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats. )
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To: OKSooner

73 Easting: The Last Great Tank Battle of the 20th Century
https://www.coffeeordie.com/73-easting


88 posted on 01/25/2023 11:07:32 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Nathan _in_Arkansas

Good to know. Thanks.


89 posted on 01/25/2023 11:07:49 AM PST by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic... )
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To: FarCenter

Egypt has over a thousand Abrams.

Egypt builds them under license.


90 posted on 01/25/2023 11:08:29 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Zathras

There has been no, NO, US equipment from Ukraine sold on the Black Market except in Russian propaganda pieces. All US to Ukraine military is tracked.


91 posted on 01/25/2023 11:11:15 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Vermont Lt

No spare parts, no maintenance, scrap heap. Tanks require constant maintenance missing a week becomes a problem, missing a month is as big deal, missing more than a month, the whole tank needs to be reconditioned.


92 posted on 01/25/2023 11:13:43 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Send from Afghanistan?

Right?

5.56mm


93 posted on 01/25/2023 11:22:54 AM PST by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho have got to go.)
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To: damper99

Thank you.


94 posted on 01/25/2023 12:12:42 PM PST by OKSooner (Don't try to beat the cops at their own game.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

The money quote, IMHO:

“The tanks would be paid for through the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, which draws weapons and equipment from private industry rather than from the U.S. stockpile.”

See? Its magic! It will be paid for by something called the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, something most American have no idea what the hell that is. So its magic money that goes through this USAI thing. And then, it “draws the weapons and equipment”. They just draw them, they don’t buy them. See?

This is a classic example of how the propaganda media massages information to render it into mush. The article should have said something in plain English about the fact that this equipment is being paid for by American Taxpayers, who have to borrow the money and pay interest on the money, and the equipment is being bought with this Taxpayer money to military contractors who are donating massive sums of money to the campaign coffers of the politicians who voted to steal our money and give it to them.

Ladies and Gentlemen: we are way past “no taxation without representation”.


95 posted on 01/25/2023 12:33:07 PM PST by JewishRighter
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To: PIF

I defer to anyone with experience on this issue. I am hearing conflicting stories. But, armies need maintenance.

Although, I cannot imagine an American Primary battle tank being THAT timid. Jets? Yup…I believe that. But tanks designed for Deserts and European plains would be that fragile? That makes no sense.


96 posted on 01/25/2023 12:33:24 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: JewishRighter

So they aren’t being paid for by taxpayers. That’s cool.

I thought that’s what all you guys were worried about?

I cannot keep the complaints straight.


97 posted on 01/25/2023 12:37:51 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: Vermont Lt

Huh? Whatchoo talkin’ ‘bout? My whole point is that the article masks the critical fact that taxpayers are paying for this crap.


98 posted on 01/25/2023 12:48:24 PM PST by JewishRighter
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To: Four of Six

The West is becoming more willing to send better weapons because we have become confident in the Ukrainian fighting capabilities and their effective use of the weapons they are given.


99 posted on 01/25/2023 12:49:16 PM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: Vermont Lt

It not fragility - tanks are complex modern ones more so. They need weekly maintenance - is that so hard to understand?


100 posted on 01/25/2023 12:59:39 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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