U.S. Leans Toward Providing Abrams Tanks to Ukraine

WSJ ^ | 24-JAN-2023 | Michael R. Gordon

[SpeedyInTexas]

Deliveries would be part of deal to enable provision of German-built Leopards

The Biden administration is leaning toward sending a significant number of Abrams M1 tanks to Ukraine and an announcement of the deliveries could come this week, U.S. officials said.

The announcement would be part of a broader diplomatic understanding with Germany in which Berlin would agree to send a smaller number of its own Leopard 2 tanks and would also approve the delivery of more of the German-made tanks by Poland and other nations. It would settle a trans-Atlantic disagreement over the tanks that had threatened to open fissures as the war drags into the end of its first year.

[Right_Wing_Madman]

A Year earlier than I expected.

The United States is trapped in a cycle of escalation because Ukraine is losing. These transfers wouldn't happen if Ukraine was winning.

[SpeedyInTexas]

From my (limited) understanding, the M1s are a logistical / maintenance hard road for the Ukrainians.

I wouldn’t be surprised if no maintenance takes place in Ukraine. Any ‘repairs’ and the M1 gets shipped out of the country.

Read the M1 uses jet fuel and not diesel like the Leopards.

It seems to me, the M1 deployment is mostly to entice the Germans and EU to send the Leopards.

Because of the weight of the M1s, they maybe confined to certain areas of the Ukrainian front lines.

[SpeedyInTexas]

“the only conceivable purpose “

The purpose is to get the Germans / EU to send the Leopards.

[JewishRighter]

This is what I said on the thread on Sunday entitled: "Lindsey Graham Calls on the West to Send Zelensky Tanks After Trip to Ukraine"

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"I think he’s speaking in code to create pressure for the US to send Abrams M1A1’s which (fortunately) our government has felt (so far) that its advanced technology should not be shared with anyone in that part of the world. Linda is so fired up in his panties about Ukraine beating the Russians, I’m sure he has no problem giving away the store."

[ConservativeWarrior]

*&^%$ Biden

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Farcical elections have consequences.

I wonder if we’ll survive.

[jneesy]

like stinger M1’s aren’t being produced anymore as our supply dwindles.....well anyone can see the endgame (Raytheon has reopened the stinger production line but will take 2 years to make any real production Abrams wont be quite that easy)

[DownInFlames]

Re#5. Spot on mate. We’re going into this like Vietnam all over again. Inserting advisers and technicians.

[Bulwyf]

It’s pretty much there. They had a general meeting as did NATO, and they’ve as much as admitted they’re in direct conflict. Look for official declaration in the next bit.

To anyone saying I’ve been saying this exact thing for the last year. You’d be wrong. I was warning against this, but now it’s becoming reality. Retards seem to want this, I guess the vaxx isn’t killing people fast enough.

[SpeedyInTexas]

“Ukraine is losing”

RuZZia’s max territorial gain was the middle of March. RuZZia was winning from FEb 24-Mid March.

Ukraine has reclaimed territory since Mid March. Reclaimed about 1/2 of their territory.

[Mouton]

What’s next some surplus Davy Crocketts.

[PGR88]

Ukraine will suffer at least 1 million dead before this is over. 3-5% of a total population killed is kind of a statistical minimum before a country completely loses the will and ability to fight

Ukraine is governed by Azov ideologues who are the sorts that would rather see everyone dead before they surrender

the USA is prepared to give them money and weapons to bleed Russia to the last Ukrainian

Russia is prepared to make it happen

[elpadre]

Question: Why does Germany need permission from the US to give tanks to Ukraine???

[Right_Wing_Madman]

Even if you dropped 1000 tanks or some other number of tanks into Ukraine today, it would take months to become competent in mobile tank warfare.

The Ukrainian Army is actually competent at tank warfare. It is an important part of their training and doctrine.

The parts, fuel and ammunition would also need to be delivered, plus several months of training before they can be used.

This is the problem. The actual use of M1s require thorough training and an enormous on-ground support structure, both at field level and depot level.

[Nextrush]

Escalation has consequences...

“Feel Like I’m Fixin To Die Rag”-Country Joe McDonald...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=5XZ07UWhk8s

[pierrem15]

There isn’t any “dispute”. The German Chancellor and his SPD are tools of the Russians and have been for decades. He’s been lying since the war started about aiding Ukraine, reforming the Bundeswehr and then foot dragging about doing anything to oppose Russia.

[amnestynone]

“The United States is trapped in a cycle of escalation because Ukraine is losing. These transfers wouldn’t happen if Ukraine was winning.”

Russia is not winning, it is losing. It is losing because we are sending weapons to the Ukraine.

[Lonely Are The Brave]

The Neocons part of the Uni-Party with their leader criminal
Joe Biden lead the U.S. one step closer to the BOMB.

[Right_Wing_Madman]

Ukraine has reclaimed territory since Mid March. Reclaimed about 1/2 of their territory.

Again, I'll restate the obvious: these endless transfers of US/NATO equipment wouldn't be necessary if Ukraine was winning.

[Blueflag]

Was my first thought as well.

King of the mechanized battlefield, but you’d better be REALLY STRONG on fuel and support logistics.

Also, the Abrahms is ‘king’ due in large part to training, tactics, and networking. IT’s a great fighting vehicle, but like planes - it comes down to the people, training and comms. Oh, and logistics.

[9422WMR]

They still have some nuclear weapons that could cause some pain and anguish!
Maybe if they target the east and west coast of the US there would not be too many complaints…