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Ukraine is fighting for all of us. Now Europe must fight Putin too
UK Guardian ^ | January 22, 203 | Simon Tisdall

Posted on 01/22/2023 5:23:18 AM PST by C19fan

Europe must fight. The realisation has been slow in coming. Yet almost one year after Russia invaded Ukraine, most western governments finally understand Kyiv’s war for survival is their war, too. It’s a fight to the death for Ukraine, but also for European democracy, rights and values. It’s a fight against the historical evils of fascism and imperialism embodied by Vladimir Putin, a dictator for our age.

Europe must fight. It really has no choice. As Russia doubles down, threatening a huge new offensive, a turning point approaches when tragedy turns to ruin – or triumph. This moment, when the war has become familiar and wearying, is the moment of maximum danger. From Sweden, Spain, the Netherlands, France, Poland and the Baltic republics, the flow of arms is turning into an urgent torrent.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: bidenswar; blueandyellowpompoms; blueandyellowrahrah; eurowankers; neocons4biden; neocons4war; notourwar; reasonable; russia; simontisdall; ukenazis; ukraine; ukrainecorruption; whoresfrombrussels; ww3; wwiii; zelenskyworshippers
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To: House Atreides

The UK is the most shrill and loudest big mouth. They do the yakking, we do the funding, and poor Ukraine suckers do the dying.

All for that new fangled bullcrap espoused over there in Davos by the satanic and mentally ill “whirreled leaders”.

This is such a joke how the Zeepers around here talk about Ukraine’s sovereignty and Ukraine’s borders. Totally ignoring and not caring at all about our borders or the invasion happening right here brought about by the same scum propping up their proxy war in Ukraine.

Maybe we would be nicer about it if we fixed our own falling down house first.


41 posted on 01/22/2023 6:03:08 AM PST by dforest (Joy Behar is a big mouth cow.)
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To: C19fan

Ukraine is losing the war. Europe does not want to confront Russia on the battlefield. Wants the U.S. to do so and there are plenty of NEOCONS ready to do so.


42 posted on 01/22/2023 6:03:14 AM PST by Lonely Are The Brave (A man's got to know his limitations. Dirty Harry Callahan)
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To: bert

What makes a war “illegal”?

Is it when certain western countries say so?

How is not wanting our money and military supplies involved supporting Russia?

How is our southern border doing?


43 posted on 01/22/2023 6:04:32 AM PST by EEGator
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To: mikey_hates_everything

I’m pretty sure it is not too late.

It is dawning on the elite that Russia has not only lost but is not going to recover economically for the near future


44 posted on 01/22/2023 6:05:03 AM PST by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality daythis piece is )
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To: bert

You are a tard. I never mentioned Biden. I think you are messed up and posting to someone else’s comments. I never mentioned Putin either.

None of this post was a response to anything I said.

Geesh, WTH is wrong with you? Too many fake vaxes?


45 posted on 01/22/2023 6:06:44 AM PST by dforest (Joy Behar is a big mouth cow.)
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To: Lonely Are The Brave

For clarification, there are plenty of Neocons willing to let other Americans die fighting Russia.
Neocons and their families make money while others do the dying.


46 posted on 01/22/2023 6:07:15 AM PST by EEGator
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To: bert

Hyperbole and false accusations much?

Go ahead, make a joke of yourself.


47 posted on 01/22/2023 6:08:09 AM PST by dforest (Joy Behar is a big mouth cow.)
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To: SaveFerris

He can be in the tranny brigade.


48 posted on 01/22/2023 6:08:56 AM PST by EEGator
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To: MulberryDraw
We must fight because we’re all deep state now ?

Yes, because it is OUR biolabs. It is OUR $100+ Billions. It is OUR fiat bankster money laundering. It is OUR child trafficking. It is OUR corrupt politician pockets...

Seriously, "ukraine" MUST fall, and the Deep State Cabal must be thrown in the dustbin of history.

49 posted on 01/22/2023 6:08:57 AM PST by C210N (Everything will be okay in the end. If it’s not okay, it’s not the end.)
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To: bert

You ever stop and wonder who supports Ukraine and why?


50 posted on 01/22/2023 6:09:21 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: C19fan

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51 posted on 01/22/2023 6:09:48 AM PST by sauropod (“If they don’t believe our lies, well, that’s just conspiracy theorist stuff, there.”)
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To: C19fan

This is the war that Orwell described in “1984”……. a bottomless pit.


52 posted on 01/22/2023 6:10:37 AM PST by Highest Authority (DemonRats are pure EVIL)
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To: C19fan

Isn’t the Guardian a leftist rag? Like this article they put out in 2017 claiming Trump only won the Presidency because the Russians helped him:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/dec/14/collusion-how-russia-helped-trump-win-the-white-house-by-luke-harding-review


53 posted on 01/22/2023 6:11:24 AM PST by Phoenix8
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To: EEGator

Agree. And watch the support for the Ukraine War evaporate once U.S. troops are on the ground in Ukraine. And make no mistake this is what the NEOCONS want.


54 posted on 01/22/2023 6:14:27 AM PST by Lonely Are The Brave (A man's got to know his limitations. Dirty Harry Callahan)
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To: Highest Authority; Bobalu
[“1984”]

Fortunately, we don't seem to be living in a “1984” world. /huge sarcasm

IOW


55 posted on 01/22/2023 6:15:42 AM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did wha, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: C19fan

Nuclear War Simulation - NATO vs Russia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxJHecyYBno


56 posted on 01/22/2023 6:18:01 AM PST by Lonely Are The Brave (A man's got to know his limitations. Dirty Harry Callahan)
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To: Lonely Are The Brave

I could certainly be wrong, but I don’t think they’re stupid enough to send our troops to Ukraine.

Since they’re so wonderful, we should send every single illegal immigrant to the Ukraine…


57 posted on 01/22/2023 6:18:55 AM PST by EEGator
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To: Bulwyf

Yes, of course


58 posted on 01/22/2023 6:19:05 AM PST by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality daythis piece is )
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To: C19fan; All

I totally agree,

Europe is now realizing that the word “Soviet Union” was replaced by the word “Russia”. But clearly, that doesn’t mean the old Soviet modus operandi has changed.

The ex-invaded Eastern European countries, including Ukraine, had been under Russian occupation for decades... they lived through hell under forced Russian/Soviet communist rule.

When the Soviet/Russian communist system momentarily collapsed, those previously occupied nations suddenly regained their freedom. But at that point they had no army to protect themselves in case Russia decided to occupy them AGAIN...

That’s why all previously occupied European eastern countries by Russia ran to NATO for urgent protection.
Without NATO, those eastern countries would already have been taken back by Russia. Proof : Ukraine wasn’t part of NATO - thus it was invaded by Russia!

The problem with the Soviet-Union or Russia is that since WWII they have always had a policy to colonize and expand into any country close to their borders. It continues today.

NATO is just trying to hinder further post WWII traditional Russian expansion. It’s the whole point of NATO. It’s a defensive organization.

Additionally :

What is often forgotten is that it is the CSTO that is helping Russias expansion policies. CSTO = Collective Security Treaty Organization. That is Russia’s own NATO equivalent. CSTO operates as an offensive organization.

So yes, it’s not only Russia attacking Ukraine right now, but the ENTIRE CSTO organization that is helping making this possible.

CSTO
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Organization


59 posted on 01/22/2023 6:21:55 AM PST by USA-FRANCE
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To: C19fan

the insane “official State Media” of Russia is now saying:

“either they win or they will destroy the world”


60 posted on 01/22/2023 6:22:22 AM PST by Sunsong
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