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Ukraine is fighting for all of us. Now Europe must fight Putin too
UK Guardian ^ | January 22, 203 | Simon Tisdall

Posted on 01/22/2023 5:23:18 AM PST by C19fan

Europe must fight. The realisation has been slow in coming. Yet almost one year after Russia invaded Ukraine, most western governments finally understand Kyiv’s war for survival is their war, too. It’s a fight to the death for Ukraine, but also for European democracy, rights and values. It’s a fight against the historical evils of fascism and imperialism embodied by Vladimir Putin, a dictator for our age.

Europe must fight. It really has no choice. As Russia doubles down, threatening a huge new offensive, a turning point approaches when tragedy turns to ruin – or triumph. This moment, when the war has become familiar and wearying, is the moment of maximum danger. From Sweden, Spain, the Netherlands, France, Poland and the Baltic republics, the flow of arms is turning into an urgent torrent.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: bidenswar; blueandyellowpompoms; blueandyellowrahrah; eurowankers; neocons4biden; neocons4war; notourwar; reasonable; russia; simontisdall; ukenazis; ukraine; ukrainecorruption; whoresfrombrussels; ww3; wwiii; zelenskyworshippers
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To: USA-FRANCE

My point is the terror aparatus the Soviets used was inherited from the Tsars.


121 posted on 01/22/2023 2:25:39 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

Agreed.


122 posted on 01/22/2023 4:26:39 PM PST by USA-FRANCE
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To: C19fan

Us = the globlists/WEF


123 posted on 01/22/2023 4:37:05 PM PST by yuleeyahoo (The nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master and deserves one. Hamilton)
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To: C19fan

Putin from other side says that West is satanists and sodomites which spoils and corrupts everyone and everything around.
And Russia fights to liberate Russian people who are subjugated by ukies.


124 posted on 01/22/2023 5:08:00 PM PST by nickfrost1
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To: USA-FRANCE

We also know that there are ZERO Ukrainians troops invading Russia.==

Did you hear about Novorossya(NewRussia) and Malorossya(SmallRussia)? They are not Ukraine but ukie troops are there.


125 posted on 01/22/2023 5:16:46 PM PST by nickfrost1
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To: CapandBall

“The ex-invaded Eastern European countries, including Ukraine, had been under Russian occupation for decades... they lived through hell under forced Russian/Soviet communist rule.”==

You lie 2 times. Soviet Union was NOT Russia. And Russia is NOT communist.

See for yourself. Compare with your Paris, France.

https://youtu.be/NHhoQLOAshY

https://youtu.be/IBeu5CgrvgQ


126 posted on 01/22/2023 5:21:26 PM PST by nickfrost1
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To: nickfrost1; USA-FRANCE

Lol… stop, you are gonna break USA-FRANCE’s bubble brain

He still thinks Russians are all commies who wait in bread lines


127 posted on 01/22/2023 5:41:15 PM PST by CapandBall
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To: nickfrost1

Please look at a map and drop the Kremlin talking points. Both regions you mentioned are part of Ukraine and have majority ethnic Ukrainian populations.


128 posted on 01/22/2023 5:47:55 PM PST by Salohcin
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To: CapandBall
Lol… and what percentage of Ukrainians are “ethnic Russians” today?

Ethnic Russians are only 17% of the Ukrainian population: https://www.britannica.com/place/Ukraine/People https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/major-ethnic-groups-of-the-ukraine.html https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/03/13/the-ethnicities-of-ukraine-are-united/?sh=605b0bdf110e https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_Ukraine

129 posted on 01/22/2023 5:57:35 PM PST by Salohcin
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To: Salohcin

Please look at a map and drop the Kremlin talking points. Both regions you mentioned are part of Ukraine and have majority ethnic Ukrainian populations==

Yeah soviet commies gave those regions to ukies. But the population of Novorossiya and Malorossiya are NOT ukies. Even the names of lands speak for it. They are ethnically Russians but just citizens of Ukraine because commies made them..

And Ukraine began to press on them trying to make ukies from them. They resist and Russia helps them up to this war.


130 posted on 01/22/2023 6:33:03 PM PST by nickfrost1
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To: nickfrost1

Your really need to read more history. Those regions were not “given” to the Ukraine by the Soviets. They were ALWAYS part of the Ukrainian homelands with MAJORITY ethnic Ukrainian populations.

Here are a few ethnographic maps from the past 150 years to show this:
Published in 1879:
https://euromaidanpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/1879_nation_europe1.jpg

Published in 1914:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0f/09/3d/0f093d9ed319ed61b678a225cb86a69e.jpg

Published in 1949:
https://euromaidanpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/wMWjtUSAXoQ1.jpg

Published in 2001:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hL85-21M0a4/VyigQss_JpI/AAAAAAAACTc/iZwo8Q8ZCIYyG8j-kdr8Hul2BTNPP0M8wCLcB/s1600/781f6031609e52f92003a7098d5fd73a.jpg

Ethnic Russians make up only 17 percent of the Ukrainian population:
https://www.britannica.com/place/Ukraine/People

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/major-ethnic-groups-of-the-ukraine.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/03/13/the-ethnicities-of-ukraine-are-united/?sh=605b0bdf110e

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_Ukraine

Today, ethnic Ukrainians are the majority in every oblast of the so-called “Novorossiya”, even in Luhansk and Donetsk.

See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_Ukraine

Btw, “Malorossiya”, which means “Little Russia” is not even a separate region but just the Russian nationalists’ name for the entirety of Ukraine as they deny Ukrainians are a separate national identity, but just a Russian sub-group.


131 posted on 01/22/2023 6:58:09 PM PST by Salohcin
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To: Salohcin

Lot of BS made by foreigners. French and others.

How French may know ethnical map of Russian Empire in 1879? No ways. So it just a fake.

Same published in 1914 and so on.

But historical name still stand. Malorossiya is you say “Little” but RUSSIA not Ukraine. So it is a part of RUSSIA not Ukraine. So the ethnicity of main population also is Maloross not ukies.

I know that during commie time they was try to ukrainize those lands but as we see know the people there didn’t forget who they are. And they stand for RUSSIA not Ukraine today.


132 posted on 01/22/2023 7:38:28 PM PST by nickfrost1
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To: C19fan

Ukraine is and was the piggy bank of the globalists. There’s not a scheme that exists where the money wasn’t laundered through there.


133 posted on 01/22/2023 7:46:22 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: nickfrost1

Please stop displaying your ignorance. Those maps were drawn based on data from Russian census records.


134 posted on 01/22/2023 8:24:58 PM PST by Salohcin
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To: Salohcin

Please stop displaying your ignorance. Those maps were drawn based on data from Russian census records.==

Prove it. Russian census records didn’t count ukies. In Russian records ether are Velikorosses, Malorosses, Belorosses. It was SOVIET commie records which counted ukies. And those are absolutely unreliable.


135 posted on 01/22/2023 11:48:09 PM PST by nickfrost1
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To: nickfrost1

Good grief. Malorossiya is just archaic name for Ukraine. There is no difference in the territory or people they describe.


136 posted on 01/23/2023 12:21:40 AM PST by Salohcin
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To: Salohcin

Malorossiya is just archaic name for Ukraine. There is no difference in the territory or people they describe. ==

Why then Russia didn’t change her name or Belarus? The name of Ukraine is a special significance. It means that people who had taken it and renamed themselves are now not Russians but anti-Russians.
So if they are anti-Russians now then they must leave Russian lands. It is just. Those who want to continue be Russians must stay.

Renaming was done by soviet commies exactly to de-russify most people of Malorus and Novorus. But as I said many of them have resisted to de-russification.

SO they started the armed resistance in 2014 and created LDNR. But LDNR is just part of Novorossiya. So now Russia liberates all people of Novorossiya from ukies.


137 posted on 01/23/2023 12:34:57 AM PST by nickfrost1
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To: Bulwyf; bert
bulwyf You ever stop and wonder who supports Ukraine and why?

Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Czech Republic, Slovakia etc. all support Ukraine against Putin's invasion.

Why?

Because Putin is a threat to these countries as well - this is the Munich moment.

138 posted on 01/23/2023 2:02:38 AM PST by Cronos
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To: nickfrost1; CapandBall; All

Did you hear about Novorossya(NewRussia) and Malorossya(SmallRussia)? They are not Ukraine but ukie troops are there.

>>>>>>>>>

Your humor is special.
You are talking about a situation that existed centuries ago!

Luckily, at least you didn’t go back as far as to Julius Caesar geographical map times... we could play this geographical map game for ever...

So... according your logic Mexican troops are in TEXAS right now??
Because Texas actually once belonged to Mexico! Did you know that?

Now you understand why playing with historical maps as you do is nonsensical.

For God’s sake I am talking about TODAY, not what was going on back hundreds of years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Texas

So again I say :

Russia must stop its illegal invasion of a sovereign nation.

Ukraine’s ACTUAL borders are recognized by the UN and the world.

The planet has had enough with Russias “Soviet” attitude.

Russias “modus operandi” is copycatting the Soviet Union - which was a communist hell hole. However, the Soviet manners are being resurrected in deeds. So sad.


139 posted on 01/23/2023 6:31:06 AM PST by USA-FRANCE
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To: USA-FRANCE

Russias “modus operandi” is copycatting the Soviet Union ==

Not true. We don’t care about world commie revolution like USSR did.

We care about RUSSIANS in this world. For their lives be happy with thier compatriots. That is a true.

Because Texas actually once belonged to Mexico!==

Logic is if Texas is populated by Mexicans then it may be Mexico. But it is NOT a case.

But Novorossiya and Malorossiya are populated by Russians but was ukrainized by commies. Soviet commies. Actually you support the commie policy of USSR now. It is a shame on you.


140 posted on 01/23/2023 1:55:29 PM PST by nickfrost1
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