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Spiegel: German intelligence alarmed by high losses of Ukrainian army in Bakhmut
YAHOO News ^ | 1/20/23 | Kiev Independent

Posted on 01/20/2023 10:53:40 AM PST by JonPreston

According to Der Spiegel, during a secret meeting held this week in the Bundestag, the foreign intelligence service informed security politicians that Ukraine is losing a “three-digit number of soldiers” daily. The report doesn't specify how the losses are counted and do they include wounded and captured.

These losses are suffered in Bakhmut, a strategically important city in Donetsk Oblast, Spiegel reports.

The German Federal Intelligence Service warned that if Russians took Bakhmut, there would be severe consequences as it would give Russia the ability to advance.

On Jan. 16, British intelligence noted that Ukraine’s two main supply routes into Bakhmut are under increasing pressure.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bakhmut; german; intelligence; moskal; notourwar; vatnikgathering
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Another Biden catastrophe, sold to our own eager Neocons.
1 posted on 01/20/2023 10:53:40 AM PST by JonPreston
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To: JonPreston

FAKE NEWS - We all know that the Ukrainians are IMMORTAL and only Russians can die. After all, if it were any other way, then we’d have to admit that our ‘aid’ to Ukraine simply means more dead Ukrainians.


2 posted on 01/20/2023 10:56:07 AM PST by BobL
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Although Russian losses are considerably high as well, the report said this plays no role in the war tactics of the Russian army leadership as it is acting mercilessly around Bakhmut and throwing soldiers forward like cannon fodder.

Der Spiegel: German intelligence concerned about Ukraine's Bakhmut losses

https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-updates-fighting-in-south-increases-sharply/a-64461872

3 posted on 01/20/2023 10:56:48 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: JonPreston

so when do you go over to serve with your beloved Russia?


4 posted on 01/20/2023 11:00:33 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: tlozo

Keep cheering Neocon, frankly I don’t see how someone like you will ever be able to accept reality.


5 posted on 01/20/2023 11:01:13 AM PST by JonPreston
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To: canuck_conservative

I’m a man of peace Neocon, so no going to war for me. You, OTOH, told me that you would fight for Zelensky. It’s now or never, buddy boy. You are needed in Bakhmut.


6 posted on 01/20/2023 11:03:39 AM PST by JonPreston
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To: BobL

Between this story, the German refusal to send Leopard tanks and the visit to Zelenskyy by the CIA, this mess is a wrap.


7 posted on 01/20/2023 11:05:12 AM PST by JonPreston
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To: JonPreston

This has become a high intensity conventional war so the reported numbers are easily in the ballpark.


8 posted on 01/20/2023 11:09:02 AM PST by robowombat ( )
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To: JonPreston
accept reality.

Most recent military aid to Ukraine:


9 posted on 01/20/2023 11:10:43 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: JonPreston

Lies all lies this is Russian propaganda and disinfo/misinfo. How dare they say that the Ukes are dying, only Ruskies get killed. /s


10 posted on 01/20/2023 11:14:05 AM PST by The Louiswu (- .-. ..- -- .--. / ..--- ----- ..--- ....-)
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To: JonPreston

Yes, but Der Fuhrer Schwab has refused to listen and ordered the Ukrainian Army to redouble its efforts.


11 posted on 01/20/2023 11:15:39 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: tlozo

Only thing they are not sending is Men and Women to die and bleed—at least—Not Yet. Russia knows its a meat grinder but will send troops as long as it takes. There will come a point when Ukraine will reach the conclusion that its a losing game and will fold up, dump Zelensky and go to the peace table. Talk of Ukraine Victory and pushing Russia out is just a pipe dream. The reality is just starting to reach the public mind. All the money we are sending is falling into a Black Hole of corruption. Sad really.


12 posted on 01/20/2023 11:20:19 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade ( Ride to the sound of the Guns!)
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To: JonPreston

Bakhmut is now Operationally Encircled, so its liberation is near. Seems like things have sped up now that Soledar is no longer controlled by foreign forces.


13 posted on 01/20/2023 11:22:27 AM PST by BobL
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To: tlozo

And all that equipment is burning. Biden has just ensured another of his foreign policy disasters, right up there with the evacuation of Afghanistan. Only a Low IQ dolt would have fallen in behind this Demented fool. Congratulations.


14 posted on 01/20/2023 11:23:48 AM PST by JonPreston
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Oh come on! Everybody knows that Ruzzia is losing, Putin is dying and Zelensky is the most honest and trustworthy world leader. He is also the best at getting military assistance from other countries especially America where we have his six to the point that we are more worried about Ukraine’s borders than our own.


15 posted on 01/20/2023 11:24:05 AM PST by webheart
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No, it's impossible. Russia has lost 1,000,000 soldiers while Ukraine has lost 50. They're a week away from capturing Crimea on their way to Moscow. The Ghost of Kiev Kyiv is soaring through the sky shooting down a dozen MiGs a day. The glorious Ukrainian army needs no help but we should send billions anyway because of how awesome they are.
16 posted on 01/20/2023 11:25:18 AM PST by Trump20162020
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Bakhmut is now Operationally Encircled

Yes, it's the same tactic they used up North in Soledar. So after years of entrenchment (since 2014), UN leadership has allowed two critical cities to be encircled. They knew the Russians would come here from the first day of the war, and couldn't stop them.

17 posted on 01/20/2023 11:28:07 AM PST by JonPreston
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To: Trump20162020

…don’t forget the Russians bringing all those mobile crematoriums to burn their dead!


18 posted on 01/20/2023 11:29:30 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Ukrainian propaganda has been so unbelievably laughable.

Russian propaganda probably has been too, difference is, U.S. and British press doesn’t repeat it verbatim, unquestioned, so don’t really see it myself all that much.


19 posted on 01/20/2023 11:35:25 AM PST by Trump20162020
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To: Trump20162020

Agree.


20 posted on 01/20/2023 11:45:35 AM PST by JonPreston
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