Rigggght....
Posted on 01/19/2023 7:31:31 AM PST by Timber Rattler
For years, the United States has insisted that Crimea is still part of Ukraine. Yet the Biden administration has held to a hard line since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, refusing to provide Kyiv with the weapons it needs to target the Crimean Peninsula, which Russia has been using as a base for launching devastating strikes.
Now that line is starting to soften.
After months of discussions with Ukrainian officials, the Biden administration is finally starting to concede that Kyiv may need the power to strike the Russian sanctuary, even if such a move increases the risk of escalation, according to several U.S. officials who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive debate. Crimea, between the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov, is home to tens of thousands of dug-in Russian troops and numerous Russian military bases.
White House officials insist there is no change in position. Crimea, they say, belongs to Ukraine.
“We have said throughout the war that Crimea is Ukraine, and Ukraine has the right to defend themselves and their sovereign territory in their internationally recognized borders,” said Adrienne Watson, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council.
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
“Putin does not equal Russia.”
You clearly have never heard of the law of agency. The agent acts on behalf of the principal. In this case, because Putin is the legal and political head of Russia, Putin acts as Russia’s agent. Generally, the agent not only acts on behalf of the principal, the principal can also be bound by the actions of the agent.
You guys routinely conflate Biden with the US; so you should not get the vapors when the tables are turned and Putin is conflated with Russia. When either acts as the agent, they are one and the same as the principal.
“Russia is not the Soviet Union.”
No, it’s not; because the USSR is defunct, having collapsed and disappeared over thirty years ago. But, when the USSR was still around, Moscow (in Russia) spoke for the USSR. Without Russia, there would not have been a USSR.
“Deep US involvement in Ukraine does not equal ‘freedom.’”
The Ukrainian people would disagree with you.
“You guys just can’t stop with the simplistic over-simplifications, no matter what is said to you.”
When you move all the fluff out of the way, it always comes down to the basic: What is the fundamental cause. I guess you’ve never heard of reductionism or Occam’s Razor.
“.. you should not get the vapors ”
That is a phrase I need to use more often. Lol. It sure hits the nail on the head for most of these exchanges.
Thanks for the chuckle.
Yeah, Russians have been beating up people over Crimea for a very long time. When I went to Crimea in the late 2000s, people only spoke Russian, not Ukranian. I drove over and looked at the Russian fleet in Sevastopol, it was all rusted up and crappy looking. Just east of there are the ruins where the Greeks set up shop some millenniums ago. No Greeks there now. Most of the housing on the south coast was set up like second homes or summer holiday hotels for Russians - basically it is (or was) their Florida. The airport near Simferopol and the office buildings there were all full of Russian speakers. The only people who did not speak Russian were the Khazakis who had returned from their diaspora after exile by Stalin. The town of Yalta, where Stalin, Churchill and FDR met and carved up Europe near the end of WW2, is the site of the Czar’s Livadia Palace (summer palace) since the 1860s. During the Crimean War, in 1854, the British Cavalry (entering Crimea to protect Turkish interests) got their asses handed to them at Balaklava (a valley I drove through between Yalta and Sevastopol) by the Russians in the disastrous “Charge of the Light Brigade” led by Lord Cardigan. Nobody wants to be the Noble 600 again.
The parallels with Crimea and Afghanistan are remarkable as far as foreign intervention. It is hard to understand why Nikita Khruchev (a Russian who supposedly loved Ukraine) in 1954 transferred the Crimean Oblast to Ukraine dominion, and then why did Gorbachev give Crimea to Ukraine when USSR disintegrated, except that perhaps because Gorbachev was 1/2 Ukraininan and wanted a place to escape to that was not under Russian flag, after being the last Soviet leader. Crimea is just a completely different place than Kiev, which is the other place where I worked while in Ukraine.
The Charge of the Light Brigade
BY ALFRED, LORD TENNYSON
I
Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
“Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns!” he said.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
II
“Forward, the Light Brigade!”
Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the soldier knew
Someone had blundered.
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
III
Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of hell
Rode the six hundred.
IV
Flashed all their sabres bare,
Flashed as they turned in air
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army, while
All the world wondered.
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right through the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reeled from the sabre stroke
Shattered and sundered.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.
V
Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell.
They that had fought so well
Came through the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.
VI
When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
All the world wondered.
Honour the charge they made!
Honour the Light Brigade,
Noble six hundred!
It’s not that I fail to grasp it
It’s that it’s not my concern.
I memorized Tennyson’s “Charge” in 4th grade. When I was a kid in the 1950s one of my favorite movies on TV was the 1936 “Charge of the Light Brigade” with Errol Flynn and Olivia DeHavilland. The movie took some liberties with history, as the Chukoti massacre in the movie was based on the historical Cawnpore Massacre of 1857. When, of course, the charge at Balaclava Heights was in 1854. Oh, well: Stirring stuff for a kid.
Sure NeoCons have been wrong on every foreign policy for the last 30+ years but I got a good feeling about this one.
“It’s not that I fail to grasp it. It’s that it’s not my concern.”
Fair enough. I guess we can expect you NOT to make any further comments on this subject going forward, either pro or con either side in the conflict: Strictly neutral, non-judgmental comments excepted.
As long as America stays out of it than I have comments on the conflict
Rigggght....
The problem with Russia just withdrawing to the line 2013 is that that will do nothing to stop to behavior of the west that caused Russia to cross into the Ukraine in the 1st place Russia warned them for years not to do it more, And the west turned around and did it anyway. Now these that said Russia wouldn’t invade are saying that won’t use nukes.
You didn’t answer the question.
“Another child steps out with childish slurs”
>>>>>>>>
Says who? The KGB ?
Some Soviet lovers here on FR, don’t care about the American Constitution for one reason : they are Russians.
NYT is just left wing trash - LOL
idiot globalists want WW3.
Crimea has been part of Russia since 1783,
One little nuke could ruin your whole day!
timburrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Wagner PMC captured klesheevka today..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZGkvEARzLo
“As long as America stays out of it than I have comments on the conflict.”
Well, there are a lot of pro-Russia and pro-Putin FReepers who think America is not only NOT “out of it,” but is very much involved. Thus, I will assume you are not among that camp.
“The problem with Russia just withdrawing to the line 2013 is that that will do nothing to stop to behavior of the west that caused Russia to cross into the Ukraine in the 1st place.”
BS. Russia first invaded Ukraine in 2014, after it had been stirring up separatist sentiments in eastern Ukraine.
Russia invaded the country of Georgia in 2008. Was that because of the “behavior of the West?”
“Russia warned them for years not to do it more, And the west turned around and did it anyway.”
Did what?
“Now these that said Russia wouldn’t invade are saying that won’t use nukes.”
Invasion is one thing. Starting a nuclear war is a lot different.
“You didn’t answer the question.”
What question? You asked no question. You just posted a meme.
The question is included in the meme. See if you can’t find it...
What? That you think Zelensky belongs in a Moscow zoo? Is that what you are asking?
If it is, my answer to you is, “Grow up.” I mean, how immature can you be?
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