Posted on 01/19/2023 7:31:31 AM PST by Timber Rattler
For years, the United States has insisted that Crimea is still part of Ukraine. Yet the Biden administration has held to a hard line since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, refusing to provide Kyiv with the weapons it needs to target the Crimean Peninsula, which Russia has been using as a base for launching devastating strikes.
Now that line is starting to soften.
After months of discussions with Ukrainian officials, the Biden administration is finally starting to concede that Kyiv may need the power to strike the Russian sanctuary, even if such a move increases the risk of escalation, according to several U.S. officials who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive debate. Crimea, between the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov, is home to tens of thousands of dug-in Russian troops and numerous Russian military bases.
White House officials insist there is no change in position. Crimea, they say, belongs to Ukraine.
“We have said throughout the war that Crimea is Ukraine, and Ukraine has the right to defend themselves and their sovereign territory in their internationally recognized borders,” said Adrienne Watson, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council.
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
The votes in 1991 for independence in Donbas and Crimea were:
You guys realize these are the same arguments used by Hitler to take the Sudetenland, right? I am no calling Putin Hitler. But the parallels of their actions are chilling.
The West is in desperation mode. They are throwing feces against the wall and hoping something sticks. Completely bereft of strategy. The decision to try to send U.K. and German tanks to Ukraine is the most recent indicator that London, Berlin and Washington are hitting the panic button.
ussian military forces, with the Wagner Group leading the charge, has breached the Bakhmut, Soledar, Siversk line of defense. While Ukrainian troops continue to occupy Bakhmut and Siversk, the Russians are grinding on and appear to have effected a tactical encirclement of Bakhmut. Taking Bakhmut and clearing settlements to the south of Ukrainian forces is a critical step in forging genuine security for Donetsk. When Bakhmut falls expect an uptick in the wailing and gnashing of teeth in London and Washington. They will be tempted to launch more desperate gambits.
I should clarify that the votes I gave were for independence from Russia in a unified Ukraine.
Yeah…that makes a difference. Ha ha.
You are sick motherfreeper.
Yeah, I seem to remember somebody complaining about the name calling and nastiness on the Urkaine War threads, accusing us of this behavior.
I wonder who that was...
While I understand that for conservatives, like me, who grew up during the Cold War era, it is tempting to want to see Russia get slapped around militarily this is not the Cold War era and today’s Russia is not the Soviet Union. Putin is definitely a corrupt tyrant, and his invasion of Ukraine has definitely been inexcusably brutal, but there is a certain logic behind it.
While his personal desire to see Russia reclaim what he sees as its former glory has been long-reported, I don’t believe that is the primary reason he has embarked upon this course. What is driving this is the west’s cavalier response to his warnings that Russia would not allow Ukraine to become a NATO member. But it’s much deeper than that. He also has watched as Europe and the U.S. have fallen deeper under the spell of the globalists, and as we have allowed our cultures to succumb to the corruption of vile “woke” ideology. Putin has openly fought to keep this cultural rot from gaining a foothold in Russia, and has clearly been trying to promote traditional families and religious faith (though I am a bit skeptical of his sincerity on faith) among the Russian population. In short, Putin is fiercely determined to keep western “woke” anti-family ideology out of his country at all costs. He is also determined to defend Russia’s sovereignty against the tide of tyrannical globalism.
And it is those last two items that explain why leftist “progressives” have recently become so curiously anti-Russia, when historically they have SUPPORTED Russia, especially during the height of the Soviet Union. They see today’s Russia standing for national sovereignty and against LGBTQ blah, blah, blah cultural degeneracy and they simply can’t allow that. It’s exactly the same reason they hate American conservatives. Their sinful anything goes political agenda takes precedence over everything else, even their former allegiance to Russian communism.
So if you’re a confused conservative who has been seduced by the beating war drums, take a step back for a moment and look at who you’ve jumped into bed with. If you’re frothing at the mouth to beat Russia over the head by backing Ukraine you’ve just allied yourself with the radical left and the globalist Eurotrash. Also, realize who the biggest enemy is here, and it is most definitely NOT Russia. Globalism is a FAR more dangerous enemy, and it is the globalist tyrants who benefit from crushing Russia’s sovereignty and corrupting its population, if they are able. Regardless of his previous sins, Putin, rightly in my opinion, sees this fight as a fight for Russia’s very existence against the rapidly growing globalist evil. If we continue down the road of supporting Ukraine we will be indirectly supporting the globalists, and will therefore be on the wrong side in this conflict.
Yes, it is terrible what Putin is doing to the Ukrainian people, but Europe and the U.S. created this situation by emboldening Ukraine with false (and foolish) hopes of joining NATO, rather than leaving them as a buffer between Russia and the west, as Putin demanded. Arming Ukraine so that they can prolong a conflict they can never win is only making things much worse, and far more dangerous for the rest of the world. And for what?…to promote the agenda of the “woke” globalists by weakening Russia? The only winners in that scenario are the globalists and China, which is sitting quietly on the sidelines waiting to pounce on the rubble that remains afterward.
So if you’ve simple-mindedly allowed yourself to be emotionally manipulated into backing this lunacy, take a deep breath and think it through.
Update on the conflict in Ukraine for January 18, 2023.
- Bakhmut faces encirclement by Russian forces;
- The Netherlands is considering sending Patriot missile systems after West blames Russia for residential building strike;
- Ukrainian presidential adviser Arestovich has resigned after suggesting the building was hit because of a failed Ukrainian interception of a Russian cruise missile;
- The building strike appears to be serving as a pretext for a planned escalation by the US and its allies;
- Ukraine also lost its interior minister to a helicopter crash;
- The Western media admits current aid to Ukraine is not sufficient, although suggested increases will unlikely turn the tide;
- The US and its allies are preparing for their monthly meeting discussing expanded military aid to Ukraine on January 20, 2023;
Yep, I’m the one who said most of you Ukrainiacs are nasty. I stand by that comment.
If someone else was insulting you, you probably earned it. By being nasty.
Like you’re being with the post that generated this reply, whining to me about what someone else called you when I had nothing to do with it and wasn’t even participating in the conversation.
Don’t think you can just be nasty and expect us to roll over and take it. We won’t. Don’t come crying to me if you’re rude to another FReeper and get it back tenfold. It doesn’t take any talent to be nasty. You Ukrainiacs are a scourge on this site.
Re #6. I’m not talking about manpower, I’m talking about legit military targets. The sooner Sevastopol is eliminated, Crimea will be evacuated. It’s a matter of strategic positioning.
Re #25, JFK and Khrushchev have me beat on that one. The marines were loaded for bear to invade Cuba when the USSR Premier blinked.
It’s a matter of insanity. Russia will never leave Crimea.
Of course there is a response.
bert, you sound vaxxed and boosted.
Ah, the good ol' double standard is in play.
Thanks for confirming.
LMAO 😂😂🤣🤣
Yeah, whatever. You don’t have a valid point; you’re just trolling.
Buzz off.
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