Putin snaps in recorded meeting with ministers

The Washington Examiner ^ | January 11, 2023 | Brady Knox

[Cronos]

“Putin doesn’t want missiles and biolabs”

No missiles were kept in Ukraine.

Heck, NATO was reluctant to place missiles in the Baltic states which ARE a part of NATO.

And there never were bio weapons labs in Ukraine. Provide even one piece of evidence for this. Not hearsay, but evidence

[Cronos]

Ransom note “Putin doesn’t want missiles and biolabs (studying Russian DNA) in the Crimea threatening Russia’s existance - “

Putin annexed Crimea to Russia in 2014.

[ransomnote]

I’m American - no ‘flesh in the game’ in the Ukraine. It’s just that my tax dollars being flushed into the Ukraine and laundered back to the DNC.

Angela Merkel admitted the 2014 Minsk Agreements were only signed By NATO allies to delay Russia until Nato could build the Ukraine to fight a proxy war with Russia. Putin said he felt betrayed and trust was gone, and his tactics shifted - and here we are.

Putin wanted peace and the NATO group wanted world dominion instead. Now NATO is running out of hardware to send, running out of soldiers to send ( as is the US) and Russia is winning the war of attrition. Russia has casualties too, it’s just that Russia reserved alot of hardware and troops until NATO ‘spent down’ much of its resources in the Ukraine. It is ironic that Russia is winning, after all the efforts of NATO to destroy that country.
I don’t believe the US has any business propping up the puppet Ukraine so Biden/DNC can use it as HQ, and NATO can use it to fight its proxy war. I feel sorry for all the Ukranian citizens who are suffering because of the tyrannical dictates of NATO and their Zelensky puppet.

[ransomnote]

And still the NATO alliance plans to ‘utilize’ the Crimea as their headquarters to attack Russia.

[Celtic Conservative]

No, just tweaking the noses of the pretentious.

CC

[ransomnote]

Oh I’ve posted evidence, others posted evidence. Ukrainian shills pretend they are blind and can’t see it, only to demand ‘evidence’ again and again, ignoring what is provided again and again. It’s a game for you people.

[ransomnote]

Zelensky was so bad the public voted to join Russia. The population is not fighting the ‘Russian invasion’ but the neo Nazis in the Ukrainian military are stalking and killing those suspected of supporting the Russians; that silences public demonstrations of support.

[Cronos]

Putin IS cornered and has been since April.

His Plan A to quickly take over Kyiv and put in a puppet failed

Plan B to gain the East and all of the southern coastline to Moldova failed in April - with the sinking of the Moskva

Plan C to gain just the Donbas and east failed in July

Plan D to gain just the Donbas is in the process of failing.

He is snubbbed by the leaders of Turkey and Kazakhstan - Kazakhstan.

He has been cornered for some time and his desperation of fake referenda and throwing in conscript bodies reeks of desperation.

His flailing at the “external enemy” won’t work - he needs to consolidate his position at home - so the flailing will be internal, expect more purges

[Cronos]

The public didn’t vote to join Russia.

Putin held referenda in areas under military occupation.

Even right now 26% of kherson oblast, 46% of Zaporizhzhia and 45% of Donetsk are not under Russian occupation.

Those referenda have less legitimacy than PaedoBidens election

[ransomnote]

Ukrainians HATE Zelensky and the Russians living in the Eastern Ukraine are abused - there are no Zelensky fans, aside from the neo Nazi military.

[Cronos]

Article 280.1 (on public calls to action for the violation of the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation).

Russia makes it illegal to even TALK about seceding from the Russian federation

it stands to briefly recall the Russian Constitution, which guarantees the right to peoples’ self-determination (Article 5). The Constitution also includes an entire chapter on Federation (chapter 3). But there is one small detail: the Constitution only addresses the question of being admitting to the Russian Federation. There is not a single line about the possibility, or even the right, to secede from it.

Russian lawmakers introduced a new article into the Criminal Code prohibiting calls for the violation of territorial integrity in 2014

Vladimir Zavarkin suggested in an emotional speech that a referendum be held on Karelia’s secession from Russia.

The basis for his sentence was the fact that “statements of a motivational character calling for the secession of the Republic of Karelia from the Russian Federation couched in ambiguous set of proposals” were identified in his speech.

[NorseViking]

It is so nice to make up objectives Russia never pronounced and then claim how all of them failed.
As a side note, after Russia wins and sends an army of angry Ukrainians to ransack Poland for its role, are you going to link it to the role of your government in the unnecessary bloodbath, or are you going to play victim and scream you told us so?

[Cronos]

In the 1991 referendum on Ukrainian independence, 83.9% of voters in Donetsk Oblast and 83.6% in Luhansk Oblast supported independence from the Soviet Union.

how does this gel with the Russian language speaking map?

Because "Russian speaking" is not the same as "Ethnic Russian not ethnic Ukrainian" nor the same as "wanting to be under Moscow" --> there are lots of Russian speakers in Ukraine -- like Zelensky, a Russian speaker and lot of people with both parents from Russia who still do not want to be ruled from Moscow and prefer being Ukrainian

The referenda you refer to are illegal, even by Russian Federation law, since they take place on contested territories during active fighting. From the international law point of view, holding elections in occupied areas will likely be considered a war crime, with a subsequent increase in sanctions on Russia and aid to Ukraine.

[Cronos]

“after Russia wins and sends an army of angry Ukrainians to ransack Poland for its role, “

That’s as realistic as Russia conquering Beijing.

Your fantasy is more a delirium

[kiryandil]

LOL!

Sounds like Cronos got into the wodka this evening.  

[Cronos]

Nah, I’m not Russian.

Sales of vodka in Russia have been rising

[ransomnote]

30 years ago? Do you really have to go back that far to portray support for the corrupt Ukrainian government? Amazing. The Soviet Union was still writhing in its death throes, causing misery for all. That’s your comparison? Wow.

Nothing is the same. The SOviet Union is gone. Our CIA and State Department worked with NATO allies to overthrow the corrupt Ukrainian government and install their corrupt puppet. The situation went from bad to worse for the public. The neo Nazis continue to torment the Russians living in Eastern Ukraine. I can’t believe you hang your geopolitics on the world that existed 30 years ago.

[Cronos]

Oh you can go back to 2011 and see the same.

Eastern Ukraine does not want to be under Moscow’s thumb

[BobL]

“His Plan A to quickly take over Kyiv and put in a puppet failed.”
Link, please.

“Plan B to gain the East and all of the southern coastline to Moldova failed in April - with the sinking of the Moskva.”
Link, please.

“Plan C to gain just the Donbas and east failed in July.”
Link, please.

“Plan D to gain just the Donbas is in the process of failing.”
Link, please.

“He is snubbbed by the leaders of Turkey and Kazakhstan - Kazakhstan.”
Opinion - there’s more going on with Turkey than one snub.

“He has been cornered for some time and his desperation of fake referenda and throwing in conscript bodies reeks of desperation.”
Link, please.

“His flailing at the “external enemy” won’t work - he needs to consolidate his position at home - so the flailing will be internal, expect more purge”
Link, please.

[dennisw]

You love Putin and his imperialist Russia. The US tax dollars spent in Ukraine, that’s your fallback position. Your fallback complaint.