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For example, the government could change the day on which the money is invested -- it really is that simple.

Interest that flows into the system is vital because this revenue is free cash flow. In contrast, when the program collects a dollar of revenue from the payroll tax, the worker in some fashion is given a promise of benefits in the future.

In this case, “free” means interest income adds to the life expectancy of the program on a dollar for dollar plus interest basis. Of the current $2.8 trillion reserve, the payment of interest from the government and interest on interest accounts for more than 90 percent of the Trust Fund.

1 posted on 01/13/2023 9:58:29 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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Social Security is just another tax. Period.


2 posted on 01/13/2023 10:00:09 AM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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Means test payouts. That’s about the only way I can think of it being ‘saved’


3 posted on 01/13/2023 10:00:40 AM PST by Portnoy001
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I love watching Republicans dive head first into social security and entitlement reform. The GOP is suicidal, and it’s wonderful!


4 posted on 01/13/2023 10:01:07 AM PST by JonPreston
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Social Security is not the real problem, it’s Medicare and Medicaid costs that are out of control. Currently now over 1/3 of Federal Budget and moving to 1/2. It will have to dealt with very soon.


7 posted on 01/13/2023 10:03:54 AM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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Deflection.

From the real problems
Agencies Bureaus “Services”


11 posted on 01/13/2023 10:07:13 AM PST by Varsity Flight ( "War by the prophesies set before you." I Timothy 1:18. Nazarite prayer warriors. 10.5.6.5)
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“Over the course of 2022, Social Security lost nearly $5 billion in interest earnings...”

As bad as that is, the our government lost $45B in one spending bill to Ukraine, just to see Soledar liberated 2 weeks later.


13 posted on 01/13/2023 10:08:54 AM PST by BobL
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And here is what we were promised way back in 1964!

https://www.ssa.gov/history/ssa/usa1964-2.html

Self-Supporting

“The program is designed so that contributions plus interest on the investments of the social security trust funds will be sufficient to meet all of the costs of benefits and administration, now and into the indefinite future—without any subsidy from the general funds of the Government. Both the Congress and the Executive Branch, regardless of political party in power, have scrupulously provided in advance for full financing of all liberalizations in the program.”
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About 20 or so years ago AARP magazine or Bulletin had an article on how the SS system was NOT a Ponzi Scheme.
Ponzi Schemes collapse. SS has not, therefore it is not a Ponzi Scheme.

A few pages more into the magazine was an article by Jane Briant Quinn on how the SS program was set up. Without saying it, the set up is just like a Ponzi Scheme.


14 posted on 01/13/2023 10:08:58 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (“No man’s life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session.”)
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To put money in the left pocket you have to take it out of the right pocket. More interest going into Social Security this way means more money coming out of the general revenue. Net difference to the government budget on the whole: $0.00.

In fact, the whole SS "lockbox" is the same thing. If the government just spent the excess SS tax money without running it through the lockbox we would be in the same situation we are in today: SS taxes do not cover paid benefits and the excess must me made up by the general revenue (or massive borrowing). Further, not having a lockbox might have been cheaper because then you wouldn't need an office in West Virginia (thanks Senator Byrd) stacking and counting paper bonds.

15 posted on 01/13/2023 10:09:32 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Soon the January 6 protesters will be held (without trial or bail) longer than Jefferson Davis was.)
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16 posted on 01/13/2023 10:09:37 AM PST by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic... )
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“””To illustrate, in November, Social Security needed extra cash to pay the bills, and redeemed nearly $100 billion in bonds at par, which earned 4 percent interest. At the same time, it kept bonds that pay less than 1 percent on the books. Given the process, the program lost nearly $2 billion in interest.”””


If Social Security had redeemed the 1% bonds, they would not have received par. Instead, they would have received about 70% of the face value of the bonds.


19 posted on 01/13/2023 10:11:51 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To illustrate, in November, Social Security needed extra cash to pay the bills, and redeemed nearly $100 billion in bonds at par, which earned 4 percent interest. At the same time, it kept bonds that pay less than 1 percent on the books. Given the process, the program lost nearly $2 billion in interest.

You might lose interest depending up purchase price, however when redeemed at par=face value you don't lose principal. A bond with a 1% coupon sold in a higher interest rate environment would lose much more in principal that the 2 billion in lost interest.

21 posted on 01/13/2023 10:12:07 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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Jeez-o-pete...
Any financial investor worth their weight is making some money, even in today’s market.
The sheer incompetence in government employees is astounding.
There is absolutely no reason for this program to run out of funds, except for government incompetence


24 posted on 01/13/2023 10:14:03 AM PST by joe fonebone (And the people said NO! The End)
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A problem with such an obvious and uncomplicated solution means....that the system is set up to lose these billions of dollars on purpose.

Yes, the system is set up to lose money intentionally and for many reasons. Solvency hasn’t been the goal of the U.S. government for a long time. Engineering crisis after crisis is the real goal of government. Keeping the populace in a constant state of fear, and uncertain about the future, provides infinite benefits to those in power.

27 posted on 01/13/2023 10:16:41 AM PST by yelostar (Stay strong. Stay fierce. Stay SKEPTICAL. Don’t surrender your freedom and don’t buy the narratives)
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5 billion “lost” by the ever-vigilant, super-competent federal government.

And I have to write estimates and cases to justify even $500.00 or $5,000.00 for new tooling and equipment at my company!


30 posted on 01/13/2023 10:19:33 AM PST by Robert A Cook PE (Method, motive, and opportunity: No morals, shear madness and hatred by those who cheat.)
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The easiest way to fix Social Security would be to Outlaw All Taxpayer Funded retirement programs and let congress go on Social Security for their retirement


32 posted on 01/13/2023 10:21:39 AM PST by eyeamok (founded in cynicism, wrapped in sarcasm)
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The American Institute for Economic Research (AIER) has an article entitled “A Way Out” that details an excellent way to transfer out of Social Security. This proposal protects current recipients while enabling younger people to fund their own accounts. The government needs to stay out of the way on this issue and many others.


47 posted on 01/13/2023 10:41:17 AM PST by Smber (The smallest minority is the individual. Get the government off my back.)
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OMG, the lack of understanding on this is EPIC.

What does it take for people to understand that you CANNOT think of ANY bonds held by Social Security as assets. They are just line items of money the Federal Government DOES NOT HAVE, and NEVER WILL. Even if the “money” to pay this off gets printed, it will devalue the currency to the point where the loss of real private wealth outweighs any “gain” on paper from “balancing the books.”

Interest on all of those bonds is simply more debt piled on the the National Debt pile. Picking a bond to redeem with a 1% rather than a 4% rate only quadruples the rate of Social Security debt piling on the National Debt.

That is literally ALL IT DOES. There is no money, or any other type of revenue producing asset anywhere near the Social Security Ponzi scheme.

All of these moronic discussions of “fixes” is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.


52 posted on 01/13/2023 10:45:58 AM PST by Go_Raiders (An nescis, mi fili, quantilla prudentia mundus regatur? - Axel Oxenstierna)
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If you’re holding a bond paying 1% it is significantly down in price and if you redeemed it now would face a priciple loss. You need to look at total return, not just yield.


59 posted on 01/13/2023 10:52:44 AM PST by edhawk
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HOW TO SAVE SOCIAL SECURITY FOR IDIOTS

  1. Stop using the Social Security program as a mechanism for wealth distribution.

  2. Return to the original Social Security guidelines that defined who was eligible to receive benefits.

  3. Stop paying "benefits" (unearned wealth distribution) to illegals, bums, non-workers and others
    who have not paid into the program and/or were not eligible for benefits under the original guidelines.

Voila! - Social Security Is Saved!

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"On August 14, 1935, the Social Security Act established a system of old-age benefits for workers, benefits for victims of industrial
accidents, unemployment insurance, and aid for dependent mothers and children, persons who are blind, and persons with disabilities."

Read More Here: https://www.ssa.gov/history/50ed.html

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63 posted on 01/13/2023 10:56:26 AM PST by Iron Munro ( Michael Byrd: "Well, Babbitt wasn't gonna' shoot herself, was she?")
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“This simple fix could help save Social Security”

mandate that everyone receiving social security get covid-vaxed once a month until no one remains?


64 posted on 01/13/2023 11:04:03 AM PST by catnipman (In a post-covid world, ALL "science" is now political science: stolen elections have consequences)
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