Posted on 01/11/2023 10:55:51 AM PST by RomanSoldier19
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"A Leopard 2 tank company will be handed over as part of the coalition. We want this to be an international coalition and we have decided to include in it a package of a Leopard 2 company, which - I hope - along with other tank companies will soon sail to Ukraine," Duda announced.
"One country cannot provide us with enough tanks, because we are facing thousands of tanks of the Russian Federation," announced Volodymyr Zelensky.
Warsaw has 249 Leopard tanks.
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I think there are 12 tanks in a Polish tank company.
Different countries have different platoon, company and battalion organisations.
It is likely the version supplied is ex-Bundeswehr 2A4s. They’re unlikely to provide their new or newly upgraded 2PL/2PLM1s.
Thanks for your message - i should have my frustration and sarcasm better. Thanks for the informative post.
Ah, a correction - they may be some 2A5s instead. The documentation I’m looking at indicates that the 2A4s may have all been upgraded to 2PLs and they’re slowly upgrading their 2A5s, but I have some conflicting info. So they’re 2A4s or 2A5s, most likely.
If they’re 2A5s... well, those are the ones that Turkey sent to Syria and had “handled roughly” by Konkurs and Kornet missiles.
It is likely they are going to provide a compatible version to what the other members of the consortium are providing to make up a uniform battalion or brigade. That may well be the 2A4, or a commonly upgraded 2A4. The Poland-only upgraded type is unlikely because it is Polish-specific in some aspects.
As for vulnerability, all tanks in use are vulnerable to some atgms under some circumstances. Certainly in Ukraine at the moment there are no invulnerable tanks.
Some modern tank APS can actually shoot down (or more commonly, deflect) incoming artillery and even top-down attack munitions, FYI.
IIRC Turkey was using straight 2A4’s. Its only lately that Turkey has started to modernise them with add-on armor.
No such aps is in service yet that I know of.
Trite. Am I supposed to be a supporter of the Euros and Ukraine for some bizarre reason? I see no American interests on WWII eastern front battlefields. You sound like a DC propagandist… every single leftist entity and leader in America sounds exactly like you.
And these will likely be replaced by U.S. tanks sent to Poland. A grand weapons rotation is in place from NATO to Ukraine.
I don’t think all the Polish 2A4 were upgraded. The Poles have been complaining for years that the Germans have dragged their heels about filling Polish orders for upgrade parts. The Germans also have contractual conditions that upgrade parts, or some of them anyway, have to be OEM. Many Leopard users have been PO’ed by this situation.
One good reason the Koreans are likely to do well in this market, as we see in the case of Poland. In time its likely that all their Leopard IIs will be redundant.
Abrams tanks have been in Polish service for six months by now, IIRC. I remember reading about conversion training starting up about then.
Korean K2 also. The shipments are coming in. The first batch of 9 was delivered last month.
In WWII the U.S. Army used over a dozen different models of the M4 Sherman tank. If they could keep them running with trained crews, parts, and maintenance using the old fashioned logistics systems available then, the Ukrainians should be able to do the same using the modern logistics systems available now.
Trophy is capable against top-attack missiles and some artillery (depends on angle) and the Russians claim Afghanit is as well, to name just two.
Well there is that alliance thing (an old thing called NATO, nobody pays it no mind these days), and shared culture and ideology, and the fact of the Pax Americana.
Like I said, I have conflicting information about that. But the ones going to Ukraine are going to be 2A4 or 2A5s, since they don’t have any earlier marks.
Except the US had an enormous logistics depth and width and the Ukranians don’t.
It was a mix of 2A4 and some 2A5, with some domestic upgrades as Germany had stalled or denied them upgrades to 2A6 or 2A7.
Yeah, the Ukranians are only backed by this little logistics system called NATO. You may have heard of them.
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