Posted on 01/11/2023 10:55:51 AM PST by RomanSoldier19
About that NATO logistics system... much of Europe let their militaries decay after the fall of the USSR. They’re having some *real* issues right now. Remember when Trump exposed how little money they were spending and how poor condition their forces were in?
It wastes time to just be argumentative, a number of NATO nations have set up repair depots or helped set them up in border states to Ukraine, for Ukrainian equipment.
Czechoslovakia, Poland, Slovenia, Bulgaria for examples.
The World Socialist Web Site agrees with the Putinistas here. Have a look at some of the headlines there today.
“German politicians and media demand Leopard battle tanks for Kiev, further escalating danger of world war”
“NATO recklessly escalates war against Russia”
“SGP holds powerful Berlin election rally against war” [socialist organization]
“No tank deliveries to Ukraine! Stop the threat of a third world war!”
“Zelensky government expands media censorship”
“Ukrainian parliament, army leadership celebrate birthday of the fascist mass murderer Bandera”
“DECEMBER 10 INTERNATIONAL IYSSE RALLY: ‘FOR A MASS MOVEMENT OF STUDENTS AND YOUTH TO STOP THE WAR IN UKRAINE’”
Since you like invaders so much... if I follow your logic, you were against the US intervening in WWII as well then ?
You wanted socialist Hitler to invade Europe ?
And now you seem to enjoy the idea that communist Putin and his deep-state warmongering neocons in the Kremlin take over parts of Europe... !?
You like INVADERS ? Why ?
If it’s a YES, then you evidently also support all those migrants INVADING Americas southern border, right ?
You are a glorious anti-patriot. Sad, but so communist of you.
The USA was built by europeans. With our Europe USA would not exist.
Brothers and patriots must protect in USA and Europe stick together.
But you dont have those feelings.., because you are working for the deep-state FSB in the Kremlin.
I have a question for you :
Do you want the commie Kremlin to win its invasion of sovereign Ukraine ?
OR
Do you want Ukraine to successfully defend itself repealing the the Ruissian invasion?
Are you courageous enough to answer that question ?
Some modern tank APS can actually shoot down
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Not in a massed artillery barrage lasting 24/7. The tank only has so much munitions and the Russian have lots of shells and rockets - not as many as last year, but plenty enough to take all of them out - should they be in the wrong place.
And don’t for get Orlan-10s real time spotting the first few shells taken out and keep targeting in real time directly to the Russian artillery your modern tank with more rounds.
Tank deflect one, 2S19 Msta push button, send another.
Yes, the putinistas are for the Soviet Union 2.0. They talk like unhinged hysterical revolutionary lefties.
And the Soviets were indeed Communists...
Everything is so clear. Communism will lose. Putin and his KGB / FSB cronies will lose.
Invaders ALWAYS lose.
Defending Patriots ALWAYS win !
Orlan-10
Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlan-10#Invasion_of_Ukraine,_2022
Invasion of Ukraine, 2022
[Excerpt:]
By December 2022, Orlan-10 use had become rare over Ukraine. While in the early months of the war the Russians would have two flying at once, one for reconnaissance and one to correct artillery strikes, in the summer only one would be used, and by the end of the year it was likely Russia was running out of the type. Colonel Yurii Solovey, head of air defense for the Ukrainian ground forces, said his unit has destroyed more than 580 Orlan-10s since the invasion began. The lack of drones affected Russian forces’ ability to recon for artillery and counterbattery fire. Alternative drones were employed to fill the Orlan-10’s role, but they are difficult to procure due to dependence on components originating from countries that have imposed sanctions.[38]
On 3 January 2023, CBS reported that Russian Orlan-10 UAVs shot down over Ukraine in the past 4 months contained U.S. and Swiss made microchips (Maxim, Microchip and U-Blok) used for their ability to connect to the GLONASS positioning system for navigation. These chips are also able to access the GPS and Magellan systems contributing to redundancy and increase accuracy for flying and targeting.[39]
... which in turn exposes your artillery, whose coordinates are to shortly receive counterbattery fire and that may cut off the flow of shells to the tanks.
They had over 3,000 to start and more were built later. And I would not trust wiki for anything like equipment destruction
only ~116 are reported destroyed or captured
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
Bravo familyop,
Thanks to you we now know that those supporting Putins invasion of Ukraine are actually sponsored by socialists. Some know it, others are so gullible that they have not understood this... YET.
I repost your great post here below :
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The World Socialist Web Site agrees with the Putinistas here. Have a look at some of the headlines there today.
“German politicians and media demand Leopard battle tanks for Kiev, further escalating danger of world war”
“NATO recklessly escalates war against Russia”
“SGP holds powerful Berlin election rally against war” [socialist organization]
“No tank deliveries to Ukraine! Stop the threat of a third world war!”
“Zelensky government expands media censorship”
“Ukrainian parliament, army leadership celebrate birthday of the fascist mass murderer Bandera”
“DECEMBER 10 INTERNATIONAL IYSSE RALLY: ‘FOR A MASS MOVEMENT OF STUDENTS AND YOUTH TO STOP THE WAR IN UKRAINE’”
shortly receive counterbattery fire
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Except the UA is very bad at counter battery and have only a few units.
You are very welcome. I see those World Socialist Web Site headlines in a news aggregator that posts headlines and links from many other sites including NewsMax (for example).
Hell, you’re a meathead Polack. What the hell is an Olgino?
It’s not the Ukrainians that I expect to be dishing out counterbattery.
My points: The Polish-donated Leopard 2s, like most NATO tanks, do not have APS. Some of the Russian tanks do, and they might be able to weather an artillery barrage, especially if dispersed - an APS like Trophy (and one assumes Afghnit) can be set to defend only direct threats to the individual tank, so most of a “to whom it may concern” area artillery barrage might not saturate or deplete the APS’ ammo stores before Russian counterbattery can express its displeasure with the artillery shelling their tanks. The Leopard 2s don’t have that option.
At your service Sir! A US Army Tank Company currently consists of 14 tanks. They seldom work as pure tank Companies, since we generally operate as teams or task forces , a mixture of weapon systems (tanks/brads/artillery etc...)to accomplish missions. I don’t know the current size of a UKR tank company, but it is a former WP nation, and their tank companies were usually smaller.
IMHO, this is a profoundly stupid idea; those Leo’s will be broken or dead in short order. Sad end for those noble beasts.
It’s not the Ukrainians that I expect to be dishing out counterbattery ... The Polish-donated Leopard 2s, like most NATO tanks, do not have APS ... Russian tanks do, and they might be able to weather an artillery barrage,
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Leopard 2s are still not in theater, and Poland has not sent a formal request to Germany to send theirs. Don’t expect them anytime soon.
So who, if not the UA, is going to be dishing out counter battery fire - is the UA just going to stop their current efforts in favor of some other party?
Russian tanks are not “weathering” artillery barrages, APS or no. See Onyx.
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
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