[delta7]

I suspect the average Ukrainian citizen is beginning to ask if losing a decade of their young men is worth fighting for senile Joe’s Ukie war ?

Can’t argue with the Ukie Defense Minister’s own words.

[ClearCase_guy]

The whole concept of NATO is — “If Russia attacks a NATO member, then all NATO members are authorized to attack Russia.”

Ukraine is not part of NATO.
Why is NATO fighting Russia?

I understand that Russia made the first move by invading Ukraine. But this situation that we are in right now? I say we started it.

[EEGator]

We must have perpetual warfare for peace!

A thought experiment - When all the “bad” countries are conquered, where will the relentless eye of war turn itself?

[BenLurkin]

[EnderWiggin1970]

NATO lost it's valid reason for existence with the fall of the Soviet Union. Instead of disbanding and cultivating good relations between Russia and the rest of Europe it continued to demonize Russia to rationalize its own imperial ambitions and expansion.

Someone who thinks Russia is the aggressor with an insatiable apetite to seize ever more land and power in all of this should take a look at a map of NATO in 1992 compared to today. That shows who the real imperialists are. If NATO did not exist there would be no war in Ukraine and there's no reason to imagine the average Ukrainian would be any worse off within a sphere of Russian influence than they would be under Western exploitation.

[JonPreston]

Absolutely none of this had to happen.

[deener]

If Russia were REALLY fighting NATO now, all of their airforce would have destroyed along with their navy and missiles would be landing in Moscow instead of just Kiev.

[PGR88]

And Biden and his idiot handlers are feeding NATO weapons, one system at a time, and just slowly enough into Ukraine - so they will be totally ineffective, but Russia still gets to see how they are deployed, how they are used, and maybe capture a few too.

Well done Pedo Peter!

[Petrosius]

You have it backwards. The Ukrainians are just defending themselves from a Russian attack. The alternative is surrender. Russia, not NATO, started this war and they can end it by just going home.

[elpadre]

something we all apparently agree with -

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/01/ukraine-and-russia-agree-russia-is-fighting-nato.html#more

[ganeemead]

"“At the NATO Summit in Madrid” in June 2022, “it was clearly delineated that over the coming decade, the main threat to the alliance would be the Russian Federation. Today Ukraine is eliminating this threat."

Guy needs to go back to ordinary marijauna like from the 50s and 60s and lay off the bomb-grade stuff....

[Rockingham]

What the average Ukrainian wants is more weapons and help, not less, because they want victory against the Russian invaders to be quicker and more complete.