Zelensky’s Holy War – Seizing Russian Churches

Armstrong Economics ^ | 9 Jan 23 | Martin Armstrong

[lump in the melting pot]

As Zhang Fei documented, the ROC, on the whole, is an extension and tool of the russian state. Has been since tsarist times. All of its leaders are KGB/FSB agents.

Now, does that mean that every single ROC parish priest is a spy and traitor? No, but better safe than sorry. After the war is over and russia expelled from Ukraine, a vetting process can take place and legitimate church properties that were not used for treason can be restored. However, in the immediacy of Ukraine’s existential battle for survival, this action is fully warranted.

[miserare]

I have noticed the falling off of our most brilliant posters.

I guess I will have to go join them on Truth Social if I want stimulating conversation.

That will leave this place to the Zelensky worshipers.

[SoConPubbie]

Both patriarchs of the post-Soviet era are KGB agents, just like their Soviet era predecessors. The larger point is that the Russian Orthodox Church has *always* been the state church, even before the Bolshevik era. Look under the vestments and you’ll find an arm belonging to the Russian tsar of the moment. For Ukraine to allow an arm of the Russian state to continue operating on its soil while Russian armies destroy its infrastructure and kill its people with missile and artillery strikes would be an in-kind contribution to the Russian invaders.

This is neither documentation or proof. It is simply an allegation.

That may suffice for you, because of your biases in this matter, but for me, I want actual proof before I follow your lead, or anyone elses' with respect to accusing a whole church as being subversive.

Once again, no sale.

[miserare]

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[SoConPubbie]

Putin has been seizing Ukrainian children and sending them back to Russia to be raised as Russians.

Proof?

[vladimir998]

The man who wrote this is something of a moron.

Example:

“This is no different from the French King seizing the Vatican and moving it to France at Avignon.”

Avignon was not France. It was owned by the papacy.

[BobL]

“Because those churches were providing support and information to the enemy.”

Totally Stalineske reply...and with the same amount of evidence.

[TheBattman]

For the intellectually-honest, who actually care about facts/details... here is an over-simplified bit of info:

The Ukrainian Orthodox Church is actually Russian Orthodox that simply changed names. It still is directed and controlled by the Russian Orthodox Patriarch.

The Russian Orthodox Church was one of the biggest supporters of the Soviet Union - complicit in many of the communist atrocities (and even where not directly complicit were tacitly supportive of it).

The Russian Orthodox Church, via the “Ukrainian Orthodox Church” has been acting in concert with Russia - for longer than just this current war - though much is coming to light now just how much. In the Eastern part of Ukraine - the Ukrainian Orthodox Churches have aided and abetted Russian troops - both materially, and with information/intelligence.

The Ukrainian Orthodox Church has a similar problem as the Roman Catholic Church - pedophiles. This only plays in as a bishop and a few priests have been found with young “men” when being searched for under the aforementioned aiding the Russians charges.

Some of the highest figures in the UOC have been directly implicated in attempting to undermine Ukraine in this effort.

The UOC is the ONLY religious/Christian entity that is currently under investigation or subject to these measures - and for good reason.

Imagine if you will - the US at war that has made it to our own land. And while we (supposedly) believe in freedom of religion and its expression - we found compelling and clear evidence that the largest Christian denomination in the US was directly aiding the foreign invaders - working to undermine our efforts to defend ourselves. AT what point would it become “acceptable” to shut down those churches under that umbrella and/or arrest those clergy that could be directly connected to the treason?

[Zhang Fei]

Ukraine ping

vladimir998: [The man who wrote this is something of a moron.

Example:

“This is no different from the French King seizing the Vatican and moving it to France at Avignon.”

Avignon was not France. It was owned by the papacy.]

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Armstrong’s a guy who’s peddling his newsletters to people who are inclined towards his point of view. The kind of people who would pay good money to read his stuff aren’t particularly inclined towards checking the facts behind his claims. That’s how Armstrong managed to wheedle 3 billion dollars out of credulous investors through a Ponzi scheme.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_A._Armstrong#Criminal_conviction

His likening of Zelensky to Khrushchev and Stalin is ludicrous. Let’s assume, for argument’s sake, that Zelensky was inclined towards putting dissidents in gulags and conducting summary executions of the worst offenders in the way Khrushchev and Stalin were. The fact is, Zelensky does not rule over a nuclear-armed state with twice the land mass of the next 2 largest countries on Earth. A Stalin-like Zelensky would, at worst, be like Castro, who killed dissident as ruthlessly as his Russian counterparts.

We worried about Germany and Russia, not because Hitler and Stalin were tyrants, because they ruled over states with significant military potential that had repeatedly defeated multiple adversaries over the centuries while expanding their land area. Ukraine can’t even keep Russian armies out of its territory. That is why we’re concerned about Putin’s territorial ambitions and not about Zelensky’s, whatever they might be.

[Vermont Lt]

Honestly? I don’t care. They could put them all on a train to the border and send them to the motherland. Then sell their artifacts to fund generators.

You seem to give a shit about these people too much. Why give a shit about them, and not Ukranian old folks and kids?

Because you have no soul, and no God.

[BobL]

“Because you have no soul, and no God.”

LOL, I didn’t even know anyone heard of God in Vermont.

[Vermont Lt]

Yeah, I am nowhere near VT. Idiot.

Go pull the wings off a fly.

[BobL]

“Yeah, I am nowhere near VT. Idiot.”

Can’t blame you for saying that.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Zhang Fei, you're doing good work.

[dennisw]

You do come across as being godless, Bob L. A Godless Putinista.

[BobL]

“You do come across as being godless, Bob L. A Godless Putinista.”

At least I don’t live in Vermont and claim that I’ve heard of God.

[dila813]

The Roman Catholic churches the only Sovereign Church in the world, it was granted sovereignty by the emperor of Rome. This is something that a lot of people that aren’t familiar with the church and it’s structure don’t understand. For all intensive purposes the Roman Catholic Church is the Roman Empire of old reborn as the Christ Church on Earth. The other Christian churches that were derived from the apostles all had close state alignment, it wasn’t to promote the state but to make sure that the state understood that the church was not a rogue element within the empire to undermine the rule of the state. The interest in the church was the salvation of your soul in the next life not this life, I agree that the Russian church is corrupt but I am sure some in the Russian Church think to themselves how to move forward with saving Souls versus fighting the state on Earth for a secular purpose. The interest of God is the interest of the church, the interest of God is to collect the souls of the faithful and ensure everlasting life for those.

[AdmSmith]

The Ukrainian Orthodox Church (UOC) is following orders from the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC)

ROC is reportedly building a private army Андреевский Крест and sending mercenaries to fight in Ukraine. Private military battalions under the flag of the Orthodox Church are reportedly being prepared in Russia. They will be called St. Andrew's Cross, and this private army is to be sent to fight in Ukraine with his blessing

https://czechia.postsen.com/world/66052/The-Russian-Orthodox-Church-is-reportedly-building-a-private-army-and-sending-mercenaries-to-fight-in-Ukraine.html

Representatives of the community of the #Kronstadt Naval Cathedral announced the creation of volunteer battalions to be sent to war.

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1591335229960359937

A PMC will appear in St. Petersburg - more precisely, the St. Andrew's Cross training center. It will prepare a company of volunteers for the war with Ukraine.

Watch video:
https://twitter.com/acp_chronicle/status/1598628875852021762

Read more https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4042550/posts?page=3206#3206

That is why the Ukrainian governmnet is taking actions against the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate.

[House Atreides]

GIBS-ME-DAT Church money and property!

[Candor7]

YOUR Coptic Cross for a pistol?

Dasvidaniya !

OTOH. maybe, just maybe the Russians are motivated to preserve their nation against the irreligious NWO
which underpins the entire war.

Ukraine is a Biden Puppet. So is NATO.

Notice the old switcheroo, exit Afghanistan and start a new war in Ukraine designed to profit the BIden/Schwab /SOROS mafia?

NO wonder the Orthodox Church is willing to fight. Will the socialist Pope side with Abortion Joe?