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PICTURED: Robber, 30, who was killed in Houston restaurant by vigilante: Criminal was ALREADY on bond for assault and spent SIX years in jail for armed robbery - but jury will now decide if 'hero' customer, 46, who 'protected everyone' will face charges
Daily Mail ^ | 10 January 2023

Posted on 01/10/2023 11:18:14 AM PST by BlackFemaleArmyColonel

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To: joe fonebone

I think MI is a bit different from TX.


201 posted on 01/10/2023 9:05:30 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: thefactor

Evidently there is a longer video on Twitter


202 posted on 01/10/2023 9:07:20 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: thefactor
But I would have to see the video.

#METOO, but someone is going to have to post one I can see.

203 posted on 01/10/2023 9:08:36 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Even THIS video seems too short


204 posted on 01/10/2023 9:11:45 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: oldguy1776
But boy are both those rounds getting expensive.

They'll seem really CHEAP if you ever really need them!

205 posted on 01/10/2023 9:14:23 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ansel12
Maybe it's because I'm an old guy with a beater truck.

You could have stopped at the first part of your sentence, and...

206 posted on 01/10/2023 9:18:36 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BlackFemaleArmyColonel

“Life is the sum of all your choices.” Albert Camus
“Death can also be the sum of all your choices.” Hoosier-Daddy


207 posted on 01/10/2023 9:26:05 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ("Washington, DC. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious")
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To: Elsie

> Define needed. <

And that’s the problem. There’s no simple definition. So a jury will decide.


208 posted on 01/10/2023 11:59:39 PM PST by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: BlackFemaleArmyColonel
If the guy isn't being indicted, why has a grand jury been empaneled? It's great that he hired an attorney, but he really should have just laid low until the police or the DA decided whether or not to file charges. He has no obligation to talk to detectives and will probably regret doing so.

Expecting the perp's family to hold press conferences with photos of their little darling from kindergarten and tearfully explaining that he was a "good boy" who "didn't deserve" his fate, and that the customer should have just minded his own business as the perp cleaned out all of the customers of their money and possessions.

209 posted on 01/11/2023 2:51:17 AM PST by American Infidel (Instead of vilifying success, try to emulate it)
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To: stevio
"Not guilty"

Agreed. Even if they focus on that last shot, which was questionable, what evidence is there that he wasn't already dead? If he was already dead from the previous justifiable shots, then the last shot was inconsequential.

How can one be charged with murder or manslaughter for shooting someone who is already dead?

210 posted on 01/11/2023 2:54:16 AM PST by American Infidel (Instead of vilifying success, try to emulate it)
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To: Tucsonican
I don’t think anyone will disagree that the robber needed to get shot but that last shot is going to be damned hard to justify in a self-defense claim.

If he was already dead from the previous justifiable shots, how can a murder or manslaughter charge be brought against him for that final shot? Can't kill someone who is already dead. Tough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

211 posted on 01/11/2023 2:57:22 AM PST by American Infidel (Instead of vilifying success, try to emulate it)
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To: American Infidel

Thank you!


212 posted on 01/11/2023 3:00:44 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Don't rush to your death.)
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To: All

He did right until he did wrong. No need to double tap.


213 posted on 01/11/2023 3:08:40 AM PST by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: Leaning Right

Here in Washington State that is written in the law - the police have a higher standard on limitations of force than regular people.

But it is all in terms of “reasonable force”. Was the first shot “reasonable” in the self-defense of yourself or others. Was the 2nd and 3rd shot reasonable? All the way to the last shot.


214 posted on 01/11/2023 3:28:51 AM PST by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant. Never Fearful.)
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To: Elsie
What was the time on the video that this happened?

Here's the link to the video: https://twitter.com/i/status/1611824003932475392

You do not have "to Twitter" to click on the link and see the video. No account is necessary, but if you are not signed into Twitter you will see a box with the words "The following media includes potentially sensitive content." Click on the word "View" and the video will play.

It is a 35 second video. It greatly helps to turn on the sound (by clicking once anywhere on the video.) At 14 seconds he has walked up to the Perp laying unmoving on the floor, switches from a two hand to a one hand grip, leans down with the gun less than 2 feet from the body, and fires shot number 8. Hero then leans down to pic up Perp's gun, then fires shot number 9 at 18 seconds, presumably into Perp's head, but definitely into Perp's body.

215 posted on 01/11/2023 3:29:29 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: Elsie

A lot of us own old trucks, but in his case, we are trying to look at a total package to get some feel for what kind of life the shooter lives and has lived.

Did you see post 85, someone speculated it isn’t a beater at all.


216 posted on 01/11/2023 4:13:07 AM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12

I apologize for being so snippy and grumpy in my replies to you.

Yoda would say about me, “Great in this one are the feelings of helplessness and lack of control.”


217 posted on 01/11/2023 5:41:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tucsonican; OldGoatCPO

fight or flight response kicks in.

Huge surge of adrenalin, noradrenalin and cortisol from stimulation of adrenal gland and pituitary.

Heart rate increases, peripheral blood is shunted to the autonomic brain... the “lizard” part... minimal cognitive (you aren’t remembering phone numbers, doing math, reviewing lists), heart, lungs are maxed out for motion and survival.

Pupils dilate but you don’t “see”, only focus (sometimes fatally) on the main threat.. your brain isn’t “processing” peripheral stimulus but is only using mainly the motor and not the cognitive parts of the brain... other than.. what am I scared about, how do I make it stop... not hmmm let me review if he’s fired 4-6 rounds, is he turning allowing me to ambush him and not confront him head on..... do I fire 5-7-9... rounds or is this clown going to pull a zombie and come back and kill me and my family.... maybe survive and sue me or get his little gang or family to kill me and my family.

Time is compressed and everyone thinks they can “figure it out”.....once someone punches you in the balls, hold a gun to your face and tells you you’re going to die....... you have NO IDEA how many rounds anyone needs. The surge of adrenalin is putting your body and brain into survivor mode and that’s why anyone involved in a shooting should shut their mouths until a lawyer is involved and the adrenalin has worn off.

I’ve told my wife if anyone breaks into our house when I’m not there to pull the trigger till she hears clicking and haul ass and shut up until you see a lawyer.

This guy did the world a favor and allowed the perp to die doing what he loved.

8 seconds and 3 to 5 feet distance for the entire shooting to occur.

I’m liking the part of getting the weapon away and giving back the money. Anybody that prosecutes him has an agenda. Did you notice how long it took the cops to “serve and protect” all the patrons? F’ing joke.


218 posted on 01/11/2023 6:37:08 AM PST by Dick Vomer (2 Timothy 4:7 deo duce ferro comitantes)
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To: thefactor

it was over in 8 seconds.... reassess after each shot... uh, sure.


219 posted on 01/11/2023 6:38:01 AM PST by Dick Vomer (2 Timothy 4:7 deo duce ferro comitantes)
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To: Elsie

Have you seen the video in post 153? That’s the full video.


220 posted on 01/11/2023 6:38:18 AM PST by thefactor
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