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To: DHerion; Palio di Siena; Bulwyf; Robert DeLong; delta7; cuz1961; Kazan; McGruff; ScottfromNJ; ...

Hello Mr. DHerion,

It goes way deeper my friend. The groundwork for the war in Ukraine actually started with the 1991 Budapest Memorandum that was gang-raped by Russia.

Indeed, RUSSIA is in violation of the Budapest Memorandum of 1994 when it, together with the US and the UK, PROMISED to UPHOLD Ukraine’s SOVEREIGNTY and territorial INTEGRITY !

According to the Western-sponsored Budapest Memorandum, Kiev gave up its nuclear weapons in return for the Russian pledge of respect for Ukrainian territorial integrity.

Russia’s full-fledged invasion of Ukraine has brought to mind a crucial post-Cold War agreement over Ukraine’s nuclear weapons capability – which resulted in Kiev giving up its nuclear arsenal in light of the US and UK’s assurances that Moscow would respect the former Soviet republic’s sovereignty.

Ukraine possessed the world’s third-largest nuclear arsenal, which consisted of at least 1,900 strategic nuclear warheads. The country had inherited that infrastructure from the former communist Soviet republic.

That capability is “more than six times the number of nuclear warheads that China currently possesses,” wrote Steven Pifer, the former US ambassador to Ukraine and a nonresident senior fellow at the Brooking Institution, an American think-tank.

If Ukraine had that strategic capability in the current conflict, it would have made a big difference and perhaps discouraged Vladimir Putin both from invading the country and from putting the Russian nuclear weapons on “high alert.”

But after the collapse of the Soviets in 1991, the US and the UK convinced Ukraine to give up its nuclear weapons in return for Russia’s commitment “to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine” under the 1994 Budapest Memorandum.

According to the deal, Moscow also pledged “to refrain from the threat or use of force” against Ukraine. However, with the current invasion of Ukraine, Russia clearly violates the 1994 nuke deal, experts say.

“Russia is in violation of the Budapest Memorandum of 1994 when it, together with the US and the UK, promised to uphold Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity if Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons,” says Matthew Bryza, the former US ambassador to Azerbaijan, a former Soviet republic.

Back in 2014, long before the current Russian invasion, Moscow annexed the Crimean Peninsula, a Black Sea region, from Ukraine. Pro-Russian separatists also claimed parts of Donbass region in eastern Ukraine in the same year. Prior to the ongoing Russian invasion, Putin recognised the breakaway regions as independent states.

Both Russian acts are a clear violation of Ukrainian sovereignty. “Russia has broken virtually all the commitments it undertook in that document,” Pifer said, referring to the 1994 Memorandum.

https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/has-russia-betrayed-the-1994-nuke-deal-guaranteeing-ukrainian-sovereignty-55185


46 posted on 01/05/2023 3:27:02 PM PST by USA-FRANCE
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To: USA-FRANCE

Hey, we also promised we would never consider admitting Ukraine into NATO. Again, I don’t care...let them kill each other...why are we bankrupting ourselves to protect one corrupt country from another....news flash we’re broke and being invaded every day by thousands of illegals...millions in the last 2 years alone...I don’t give a shit about Ukraine or Russia, they have a long history of fighting each other. If you are so hot about this then fly to Ukraine and put your ass on the line for them. I’m tired of getting sucked into these quagmires like Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, etc. and have nothing to show for it but dead Americans and massive debt.


47 posted on 01/05/2023 3:41:28 PM PST by DHerion
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To: USA-FRANCE; DHerion; Palio di Siena; Bulwyf; delta7; cuz1961; Kazan; McGruff; ScottfromNJ
the 1991 Budapest Memorandum that was gang-raped by Russia

Russia gang-raped a memorandum? You really are experiencing delirium now old boy.

The U.S. has a commitment to protect Ukraine under the 1994 Budapest Memorandum. Did the U.S. violate that in 2014 when Russia invaded Ukraine the first time & annexed the Crimea?

According to Ted Cruz, who keeps impressing me less & less as time rolls on, we did violate that promise, and why he now vows we must honor that commitment.

Yet I do not hear Ted Cruz say the same about the violation of the U.S. Constitution by every politician who pledges an oath to abide by yet ignores; to protect this nation from enemies, both foreign & domestic.

He never said anything even when he was running for President in 2015. In fact, Ted Cruz was down at the border giving away food & Teddy Bears to the invaders showing how compassionate he was. One reason he will never win my support, but that's another story.

In my book until they honor that commitment of which they took an oath, they cannot honor any other commitments to foreign countries.

That has 100% more of a priority than does some commitment to a foreign country who played a major role in bringing the problems upon themselves in the first place.

Falls under the category of, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

51 posted on 01/05/2023 5:47:26 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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