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Ukraine War: US-led world order real target
The Pioneer ^ | Sunday, January 1, 2023 | Makhan Saikia

Posted on 01/02/2023 3:13:10 AM PST by Jyotishi

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To: DesertRhino

LOL

statesmen are NOT killers. They do NOT bomb their neighbors. putin is attempting genocide...

putin is evil


21 posted on 01/02/2023 7:51:18 AM PST by Sunsong
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To: Bull Man
--- "No. WE are the baddies in this situation. The collective west under the corrupt deceptive US has created this situation. Too many lies."

I shan't disagree with your view. I'm an old guy, once in olive drab, and swam through the "my country, right or wrong" word games. I consistently stood with -- and stand with today -- my country right. When wrong, those in charge are wrong.

Viet Nam and forward, "we" have warred with many people in many places, and called a literal war department our "defense department." But when looking at the national debt from 2000 to today, and considering how much has been wasted -- Afghanistan cost a pretty penny, only to be handed back to the Taliban -- the question nags. Why are we involved in so many military adventures which we then lose? My naive answering is that "some" are winning -- massive sums of money. To the detriment of all others, including coming generations.

22 posted on 01/02/2023 8:01:12 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: jacknhoo

As long as the Democrats are making dirty money in Ukraine, the war will continue into infinity. And as long as there is a Biden worshiper breathing the war will continue. Putin has no say so in it. if he took every Russian in Russia and Ukraine and put them on the other side of the Milky Way, the Biden worshipers would still come up with something to blame on him. Their purpose in life is to make sure Biden continues to get his dirty money.


23 posted on 01/02/2023 8:06:40 AM PST by sport
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To: Sunsong

Simpleton


24 posted on 01/02/2023 8:16:59 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: DesertRhino

LOL

as if I care about your opinion

you back an evil man


25 posted on 01/02/2023 8:26:38 AM PST by Sunsong
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

No good guys here! Only winners and losers. I believe only Trump can bring peace. That means two more years of war, two more years of death. Wait for the Mobilization of the USA, the war factories, rationing, draft of both men and women (and trans) Even illegals will be drafted for cannon fodder. All undesirables sent to the Russian Front. It gets worse and worse each day. One very human element—On a fin of an exploded drone over Kiev, a Russian had written—in Russian—”Happy New Year!”


26 posted on 01/02/2023 9:02:00 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade ( Ride to the sound of the Guns!)
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To: Sunsong

Who is More blame in a war for killing; the soldier that carries out the order or The statesmen who ordered it in the 1st place?


27 posted on 01/02/2023 10:06:12 AM PST by rottweiller_inc (inter canem et lupum)
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To: rottweiller_inc

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64138851


28 posted on 01/02/2023 10:12:31 AM PST by Sunsong
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To: Sunsong

Add perfect example European union has been trying to set up a world in the heck For like forever They wanna protect power they just don’t have, don’t have a right to, To establish there to top dogs there they ultimate activity This is exactly why Russia went to war for because Britian, for example, stands out as a very Good example of a country that used to be an empire but just can’t give up on meddling in other countries they see themselves as master manipulators, propaganda experts, Who are so blind that they can’t see that other people’s keep right through it. And the United States, engages in propaganda, bribery, outright use the force to exact changing countries that they have no business meddling in. I gotta be honest it’s really funny when people talk about how we’re protecting America’s interest in Ukraine but the problem with that is that you denying that Russia has the same rate you’re saying well it’s good for me but not for you


29 posted on 01/02/2023 4:49:54 PM PST by rottweiller_inc (inter canem et lupum)
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To: rottweiller_inc

you are right about us not being even close to perfect.

However russia invaded a free and sovereign country. They have killed more than 100,000 Ukrainians and wounded probably twice that many! they have no right to do that. That is pure evil.

putin must be held accountable and I believe he will be.

We are not protecting “our” interests in Ukraine. We are helping them protect their own interests because we care about democracy. We are helping Ukraine because they are fighting for democracy and for their own self-determination.

I believe it is on our interest to promote democracy and self-determination.


30 posted on 01/02/2023 5:37:12 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: JonPreston

You are attempting to change topic. That’s a sign you’re replacing propaganda with panic.

How do you explain that Russia, which claims to be a leading military power, has still not managed to take control of Ukraine after more than ten months of war?

How do you explain that Russia had to abandon Kherson, the only conquered regional capital of Ukraine, in such a pitiful manner?

How do you explain that Putin’s Russian army has no strategy, no organization, no decent equipment and continues to suffer routs all over Ukraine?


31 posted on 01/02/2023 8:23:48 PM PST by Cronos (.)
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To: Bull Man

No, the west didn’t cause it.

It was caused by Putin. His 22 year dictatorship of Russia has led to thus Russian disaster


32 posted on 01/02/2023 8:25:32 PM PST by Cronos (.)
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To: DesertRhino

He’s no statesman.

He wanted a compliant neighbour.

The citizens of that neighbouring state didn’t want to be a vassal state.

So Putin invaded them


33 posted on 01/02/2023 8:26:48 PM PST by Cronos (.)
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Jacknhoo “Russia will never be allowed to simply end this war. Russia is being forced to retaliate against their opposition”

Is that the latest Kremlin propaganda?

That you Russians were “forced to retaliate against their opposition”?

You can end this war simply by leaving Ukrainian territory


34 posted on 01/02/2023 8:28:14 PM PST by Cronos (.)
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To: Cronos

“Is that the latest Kremlin propaganda

That you Russians were “forced to retaliate against their opposition”?

You can end this war simply by leaving Ukrainian territory”

______________

You sound about as foggy as Joe Biden. Having your butt wiped too?

It’s been 9 months and you’re still spouting the same ole ridiculous tired and childish comments.

Look, I’ve cream!


35 posted on 01/03/2023 1:58:12 AM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: jacknhoo

“You can end this war simply by leaving Ukrainian territory”

You think that is foggy? You must have problems reading Latin script I guess, right?


36 posted on 01/03/2023 3:26:31 AM PST by Cronos (.)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
I concur with your notion that the Democrats seek to prolong war — and death. A small side note: it has been a few Democrats in many sessions of Congress who have proposed a reinstatement of the draft. With so many young people not of draft-standard quality now and with recruiting falling as it is, I fully expect the Democrats under Biden to push for a new conscription law.
37 posted on 01/03/2023 4:51:40 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Sunsong

Well It could be sad that the reason Hundred thousand people are dead, if that number is true, Is because the United States and other countries keep pumping money and weapons into that conflict That is the cause of that high death toll that’s preventing you Ukraine From coming to the negotiating table.


38 posted on 01/03/2023 10:36:26 AM PST by rottweiller_inc (inter canem et lupum)
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To: rottweiller_inc

the rule is: “nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine”

meaning: the decision is Ukraine’s to make and they want to keep their own land. They aren’t asking anyone to fight and die for them. They are asking for weapons so they can fight for their own land.

It’s their choice to make...

and yeah I believe that both sides have lost 100,000.

russia has lost 100,000 soldiers as well as Ukraine


39 posted on 01/03/2023 10:44:24 AM PST by Sunsong
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To: Sunsong; Travis McGee; cranked
They are asking for weapons so they can fight for their own land.

They are asking for more than weapons, and the "ask" has no end in sight. Meanwhile the Biden gang is pushing the illegal invasion of the USA.

40 posted on 01/04/2023 1:46:48 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Re-imagine the media!)
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