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If NATO Won’t Give Ukraine Offensive Weapons, ‘Defensive Tanks’ Will Do
https://www.forbes.com ^ | Dec 28, 2022 | HooperSenior

Posted on 12/31/2022 12:59:52 PM PST by RomanSoldier19

It is no secret that Ukraine needs defensive NATO-standard armored vehicles.

Speaking at the Pentagon in mid-September 2022, a forward-thinking “senior military official” noted that Ukraine “may need to transition to NATO compatible” armored vehicles, and that “tanks are absolutely on the table.”

But as 2023 looms, NATO-compatible tanks—even less heavily-armed defensive-oriented ones—are still stuck on the proverbial table.

Ukraine has no easy path forward. For modern armored vehicles, there just aren’t too many viable options available.

Unless a free-wheeling, on-the-move arms export powerhouse like South Korea rolls up with a surprise offer, only German or American tanks are available in sufficient numbers for Ukraine to start thinking about accumulating a standardized “single model” tank force for the future.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: notourproblem; notourwar; tanks; ukraine
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1 posted on 12/31/2022 12:59:52 PM PST by RomanSoldier19
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To: RomanSoldier19

GIBS-ME-DAT


2 posted on 12/31/2022 1:01:18 PM PST by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MA)
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To: RomanSoldier19

Lil Kim has fired 27 missiles this year and just sent a flight of drones over Seoul

Somehow I do not see ROK stripping its weapons armory to be burned in Ukraine


3 posted on 12/31/2022 1:03:08 PM PST by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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To: RomanSoldier19

...and then give them defensive nuclear bombs.


4 posted on 12/31/2022 1:09:23 PM PST by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks, and have the will to use them.)
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To: silverleaf

That, and they’re selling a lot of tanks to the Poles. Which beats the heck out of giving them to the Ukrainians.


5 posted on 12/31/2022 1:11:28 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: RomanSoldier19

“Craig Hooper — With a Ph.D. in Immunology and Infectious Diseases from Harvard University.”

Great, a Fauchi disciple telling us how to run our military.


6 posted on 12/31/2022 1:13:53 PM PST by BobL
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To: joma89

As a total welfare nation, they depend solely on the western welfare for survival.
Our money is given to pay directly their government’s salary, our money is given for arms, ammo, supplies…..Not much the West can give them to turn the tide.

Ukraine 1991-2023 RIP.


7 posted on 12/31/2022 1:15:02 PM PST by delta7
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To: RomanSoldier19

Abrams tanks would be nearly useless, at least in the near-medium term

It would take many months for Ukrainians to be trained on the repair and maintenance of the turbine engines and other systems. The Ukrainians are used to soviet/russian diesel engines. If damaged tanks would not be sent back to Germany, then I can only imagine how many dozens of US “contractors” would need to be stationed in Ukraine for Abrams to make a difference.

Also, does the US want Russia capturing the most advanced US tanks?


8 posted on 12/31/2022 1:19:40 PM PST by PGR88
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To: RomanSoldier19

I don’t get the problem with using the Warsaw Bloc’s T72s. Israel upgunned and uparmored Shermans into very successful combat vehicles , able to meet and defeat the T54s and T55s of the Syrians and Egyptians and the M47s and Centurions of Jordan. I would think the Ukies could make do with T72s unless their tactical doctrine calls for using armor in open field mass attacks like are shown on old Soviet propaganda films.


9 posted on 12/31/2022 1:23:31 PM PST by xkaydet65
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To: RomanSoldier19

“That points Ukraine firmly towards Leopard I tanks, M-60 Patton Main Battle tanks, early-model Abrams tanks and even the U.S. Army’s unwieldy up-gunned, eight-wheeled Strykers.”


10 posted on 12/31/2022 1:29:51 PM PST by 2banana (Common ground with islamic terrorists-they want to die for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)
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To: RomanSoldier19

France only needs tanks for parades. They could donate hundreds of LeClercs to the Sorosites.


11 posted on 12/31/2022 1:34:43 PM PST by PAR35
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To: RomanSoldier19

What a really cute cat.


12 posted on 12/31/2022 1:35:40 PM PST by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: RomanSoldier19

Interesting how frequently NATO is referenced to Ukraine (non-member).......yet there are people who still are in denial that this is a Nato/US war against Russia being fought in Ukraine.


13 posted on 12/31/2022 1:40:27 PM PST by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: RomanSoldier19

What is the difference between an offensive and defensive tank?


14 posted on 12/31/2022 2:11:15 PM PST by alternatives? (The only reason to have an army is to defend your borders.)
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To: alternatives?
What is the difference between an offensive and defensive tank?

A defensive tank?


15 posted on 12/31/2022 2:20:45 PM PST by BlueLancer (Orchides Forum Trahite - Cordes Et Mentes Veniant)
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To: RomanSoldier19

RIGHT!!!

And a skunk scent is not really ‘offensive’ it is in reality defensive. But it still is a skunk, right? RIGHT?!

These people are dangerous.


16 posted on 12/31/2022 2:37:32 PM PST by Samurai_Jack (This is not about hypocrisy, this is about hierarchy!)
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To: BlueLancer

That looks like a t34 turret. The Germans did something similar with the Panther.


17 posted on 12/31/2022 3:56:03 PM PST by alternatives? (The only reason to have an army is to defend your borders.)
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To: RomanSoldier19

There have been multiple reports of Russians rescuing newby UKronazis sealed inside a tank.


18 posted on 12/31/2022 4:15:14 PM PST by MarMema (Biden = Americans Last)
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To: RomanSoldier19

F Ukraine and F Russia.. it’s a European problem. Let them solve it.


19 posted on 12/31/2022 4:26:45 PM PST by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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To: RomanSoldier19

How about WWII Italian tanks. You know, the ones with one speed in forward and six in reverse.


20 posted on 12/31/2022 5:06:02 PM PST by MIchaelTArchangel
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