What really galls me about these anti Ukraine folks is they are rhetorical bomb throwers.
Then they complain that you are irresponsible.
They constantly accuse anyone who disagrees with them, of really bizarre stuff.
For example, you were just accused matter of factly, of wanting a nuclear war.
And they talk matter of factly about us all being “paid” by Soros, the military industrial complex, etc.
Then they insist they are the sensible ones and crazies like us are going to destroy the world.
—”What really galls me about these anti Ukraine folks is they are rhetorical bomb throwers.”
Their function is not an attempt to win the hearts and minds for Putin, but to sow dissent.
It is perfectly easy and legitimate to hold these views simultaneously. I pondered, why is it so hard to believe this to be impossible?
Then I recalled, I read that during the Cold War, some conservatives privately envied the Soviets' ability to suppress dissent. I can't find any documentation nowadays. I'm an empiricist, so I thought maybe it was just conjecture.
However, reading the stunning support by some FReepers for Russia and her "defense of traditional values" despite silence on the execution of political opponents and keeping divorce and abortion legal (and more prevalent than in America), I realized my error...it's not hard for them to believe - they simply gave up on America and have adopted Russia and her tactics to be on the "winning team."
You will find that most of them are QAnon followers, too. Not necessarily those who question our taking sides, but those who are outright Putin fans. Putin is a hero to them that they have wrapped into their convoluted QAnon theories.
I see pro-Americans, who question our involvment there, for mutiple valid reason, get attacked on FR by pro-war people all te time. The "Slava Unkriani" contingent on FR don't hold the moral high ground here, either.
As someone who looks at Ukraine and Russia as being two sides of the same corrupt to the core AF coin, that statement is laughable. Both sides are doing it.
Personally, I'm sick and fucking tired of it. I'm sick and tired of paying through the roof for everything including heat, food, fuel, clothes, all the basic necessities of life because the ASSHOLE sitting in the White House is using the corruption in Ukraine -- that he himself and his crime family have been leveraging for years -- to conceal HIS corrpution and HIS FAMILIES CRIMES.
That this "war" even exists at all is entirely Joe Biden's fault and those of you arguing on both sides of it are enabling his corrupt bullshit to the detriment of our country.
Enough.
America First or GTFO.