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Putin says he is ready to negotiate ‘with everyone involved’ over Ukraine
The hill ^ | 12/25/2022 | Jared Gans

Posted on 12/25/2022 10:02:48 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27

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To: tlozo

It’s an amazing level of dishonesty when a proxy coup is erased from memory.


81 posted on 12/25/2022 12:01:07 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is ████ █ ██████ ███████ ███ ██████ ██ ████████.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Hunter: Dad, everyone involved means us, too, right? For all the money I transferred to our numbered accounts when I was over there.

Biden: Shut up, son and stay shut up.


82 posted on 12/25/2022 12:12:03 PM PST by frank ballenger (You have summoned up a thundercloud. You're gonna hear from me. Anthem by Leonard Cohen)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
It’s an amazing level of dishonesty when a proxy coup is erased from memory.

Oh, right, the 1993 October Coup, when President Yeltsin dissolved Russia's highest body (Congress of People's Deputies) and parliament (Supreme Soviet), and when he had the Russian army encircle the parliament building, and a few hours later army tanks began to shell the White House.

83 posted on 12/25/2022 12:12:43 PM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: tlozo

Yep, that was an EMPTY ‘victory’ for Ukraine. The Russians set up their lines across the river and NOTHING MOVES in Kherson without getting shelled. The question is what happens in Kiev, where power reliability is almost as unreliable as Tennessee (that’s in the USA), due to constant Russian attacks. What then? Do the residents leave, or do they suffer? Suffering does work to the advantage of the Daily Mail in that they’re likely to be killed (by either side) trying to go out and get food...so good headlines!


84 posted on 12/25/2022 12:13:17 PM PST by BobL
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To: 353FMG
Putin prefers negotiations with the dumbest leader in the West and the easiest to bribe.

Biden will demand that the U.S. be allowed to rebuild Ukraine.

No way he's going to let such an incredible opportunity for graft and money laundering to pass him by.

85 posted on 12/25/2022 12:13:55 PM PST by Drew68 (Ron DeSantis for President 2024)
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To: higgmeister

There are reusable drones that can land and take off again.

Suicide drones are meant only for carrying a warhead to a target and they blow up themselves. Shahed 136 drones work like that.


86 posted on 12/25/2022 12:14:59 PM PST by Krosan
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To: BobL

‘I’m no fan of Iran, but at this point, ANYTHING that slows down the Neocons is a good thing for world peace.’


It’s too bad that we no longer have the kind of leadership that is capable of learning anything from history or past experience. They have created a colossal disaster. And all of it based on hubris and ignorance.

They demonize anyone/any entity that they consider competition for their desperate chokehold on world wide hegemony and develop plans to destroy them. Putin’s Russia has never been a threat to the United States. Rather he has tried repeatedly to develop a constructive relationship with the West.

Interesting excerpt from this morning’s The Duran:

“Q: A question to shock you all given his impact not only on his country but the whole world establishment. Is there a case that Putin is the greatest leader at least after the time of Bismarck?

Alexander: Huge question. I think there’s a famous story in ancient Greece about don’t give an estimate of someone until they’re dead. Let’s wait until Putin has left the political scene in his own time as we all must do and then we can do a proper assessment of his political standing. What I will say is that at this moment in time he dominates the global political landscape. He is far and away the outstanding leader today and that is a remarkable thing given that America and China are much more powerful countries than Russia is and that the Russia he inherited was a wreck. The fact that he dominates the world today is perhaps testament enough. Let’s wait and see as I said until his time is over before we do our final assessment of him.”

First we provoke Russia with our coup and our project to develop Ukraine into a source for a proxy war with Russia. Then we trick them with a false peace agreement that the West had no intention of living up to. Then when Russia finally (after 7 years of attempting diplomacy) resorts to taking matters into their own hands we “steal” their money located in Western financial institutions and slap the “biggest sanctions program in history” on them.

When all those measures still do not produce the Russian/Putin destruction we had in mind we escalate the kinetic conflict with approximately 100 billion dollars of “help.”

The current result of our genius? We have driven Russia into the arms of the Chinese and now the Iranians. And, in addition, we have induced Russia into a massive remilitarization program. We are, without doubt, our own worst enemy.


87 posted on 12/25/2022 12:15:17 PM PST by Cathi
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To: BobL
Yep, that was an EMPTY ‘victory’ for Ukraine. The Russians set up their lines across the river and NOTHING MOVES in Kherson without getting shelled

Well, tell Travis and kiry and other idiots who are saying it was Ukraine shelling itself.

88 posted on 12/25/2022 12:15:35 PM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: Krosan
Oh good grief!   A drone that kills itself.
89 posted on 12/25/2022 12:16:57 PM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: higgmeister

A loitering munition (also known as a suicide drone[1][2][3][4] or kamikaze drone[5][6][7]) is an aerial weapon system category in which the munition loiters (waits passively) around the target area for some time and attacks only once a target is located.[8][9][10] Loitering munitions enable faster reaction times against concealed or hidden targets that emerge for short periods without placing high-value platforms close to the target area, and also allow more selective targeting as the attack can easily be aborted.


90 posted on 12/25/2022 12:18:47 PM PST by Cathi
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To: higgmeister

I think perhaps they are referring to a “kamikaze” drone; one that crashes into its target and self-destructs.


91 posted on 12/25/2022 12:29:07 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Putin can negotiate for his life.


92 posted on 12/25/2022 12:40:11 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Putin needs to depart all of Ukraine and then talk. Russian disarmament should be on the table for the talks.


93 posted on 12/25/2022 1:10:25 PM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: Paleo Conservative
In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Putin says he is ready to negotiate ‘with everyone involved’ over Ukraine, Paleo Conservative wrote:

Because Putin knows that Ukraine can take back all its land if war doesn’t end. It’s very simple. Russian forces leave all internationally recognized Ukrainian land, then negotiations can begin. And that includes Crimea.

The head of the Ukrainian military said in an interview in The Economist, that he knows he cannot get the hardware he'd need to win because NATO doesn't have it to give. He is quietly being elevated in order to replace Zelensky with someone who will negotiate peace before what little remains of the Ukraine's infrastructure is destroyed. The one true gain the Ukraine hopes to get by negotiating peace with Putin is Odessa - without Odessa the Ukraine becomes land-locked.


94 posted on 12/25/2022 1:35:29 PM PST by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Putin always was ready to negotiate. One of the major problems is that the Biden-selected Zelensky violated earlier agreements. It’s hard to negotiate with somebody that doesn’t respect the result of the negotiations.

However, Russia was willing to negotiate and notified both Zelensky and Biden months ago with no result.

The only people who want a war are Biden and his sock-puppet Zelensky…and George Soros and the gang. And maybe China, because China is the main rival and enemy of Russia.


95 posted on 12/25/2022 1:37:09 PM PST by livius
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To: livius

>Biden-selected Zelensky ...

What was the mechanism Biden used to make Zelensky win the 2019 elections and become the president of Ukraine?


96 posted on 12/25/2022 1:59:51 PM PST by Krosan
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To: Sunsong

Its all part of the plan—This is the way I sees it:
1. Putin talks peace. He tries smiles and lets do a talk all during Russian Christmas and New Years. The fighting slows in the Donbass.
2. Once the hangover from New Years is gone, comes the massive air, artillery, rocket and sabotage attacks hit for 48 hours.
3. Then a three pronged Russian invasion to surround Ukraine Army in Donbass. With air support. Bad fighting.
4. Attack from Belarus towards Kiev to take the capital and force Mr. Z. to relocate his government towards Poland.
5. USA and Poland must chose to enter the fight or give Russia the victory. If we step in “for Humanitarian Reasons” It means WW III—That or talk peace (really Piece of Ukraine).
6. Prediction: No War. All over by March 2023. Then the TRUTH will come out in bits and pieces. Then will start the rebuilding.
7. Big Victory Party in Moscow, Putin dies and gets a nice monument in Red Square. He may even be sainted.


97 posted on 12/25/2022 2:08:23 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade ( Ride to the sound of the Guns!)
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To: All

Here’s the starting point of the negotiations.

Russia has to leave Ukraine.

Otherwise, simply continue to send Russians soldiers into the meat grinder and destroy all the credibility of the Russian military.


98 posted on 12/25/2022 2:13:45 PM PST by rbmillerjr (Defeating China is impossible without understanding that Russia is our enemy)
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To: jcon40
Wearing black leather tights, spikes heels, nipple chains and a bondage hat .... >Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky denounced Russia as “absolute evil”


99 posted on 12/25/2022 2:26:33 PM PST by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: Krosan

Biden and Hunter basically got rid of the former president, and then Biden prevented the state prosecutor from looking into some things that related to corruption that the Bidens had been involved in. This was the moment when Biden boasted that he got rid of the prosecutor by threatening to withhold 1B in US aid unless they fired him.

Zelensky was a two-bit “comedian” who at that time was playing Ukrainian President on a Ukrainian version of “West Wing,” so it was a no-brainer.

So in other words, the US has been messing in the Ukraine for years, and the current situation is just another phase of it.


100 posted on 12/25/2022 2:51:13 PM PST by livius
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