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To: Robert DeLong

Wow, that’s the longest whatsboutism I’ve ever read.

I don’t necessarily disagree with much (or really any) of the facts in your post. The USA is in quite a pickle caused by your leaders.

All the rest of your post is ill-aimed. I am no fan of the Zelensky regime. And it’s obvious the Democrats are taking advantage of a crisis, just like they take advantage of any crisis.

But none of that changes the fact that Putin led his country into a stupid, voluntary, war of aggression, whereby men of birthing age are being led to the slaughter. The women of Russia, quite logically, don’t want to have kids in that situation. That’s it. Full stop.


23 posted on 12/20/2022 1:18:51 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca
Putin led his country into a stupid, voluntary, war of aggression, whereby men of birthing age are being led to the slaughter. The women of Russia, quite logically, don’t want to have kids in that situation.

If you notice, the demographics were improving in Russia in the early 2010s, before Russia seized Crimea. After that, the sanctions led to Russia becoming further isolated and that caused the birth rate to drop once again.

25 posted on 12/20/2022 1:40:53 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: Jewbacca
You people are obviously leftists, for like leftists you all follow a script. You are the second person that has used the term whatsboutism .

From Wikipedia:

Whataboutism or whataboutery denotes in a pejorative sense a procedure in which a critical question or argument is not answered or discussed, but retorted with a critical counter-question which expresses a counter-accusation.

I readily acknowledge that Russia invaded Ukraine. I'm not a part of the propaganda machine that you genuflect to without asking any questions whatsoever. However, like the zombies that you all are, in toto you also refuse to recognize that there were reasons why Russia finally invaded Ukraine after 8 years of hostilities in eastern Ukraine region of the Donbas. All any of you ever point to is Russia invaded Ukraine, because I honestly believe you don't have a brain. Ffor a thinking brain realizes that there are circumstances which provoke responses, either good or bad, which also need to be considered when engaging in decision making. Lacking that, all you are doing is blindly following others.

You are correct about one thing, the problems here at home, including the invasion are not discussed by you foolish idiots. For your single argument is focused entirely upon the invasion of Ukraine. The invasion of this nation is in no way off topic, when the topic is invasion.

It's just that you only allow yourselves to only talk about Russia's invasion into Ukraine, because talking about our invasion is considered to be nothing more than a distraction. Are you afraid to face the reality happening in your own country, or its it that the whole lot of you cheerleaders is nothing more than a virtue signaling exercise to show how wonderful humans you are?

You never stop to examine what the real consequences are for supporting the proxy war that brings death & destruction upon the citizens of Ukraine and destruction of their homes & country.

I, on the other hand, want to inform you useful idiots that there is a much larger invasion ongoing in your own country that you simply choose to ignore, along with the fact that this nation is 31 trillion dollars in debt and that figure is rapidly reaching exponential acceleration speed.

If the U.S. stops supporting the conflict, it will force Ukraine & Russia to come to some kind of solution. That is what is needed, not cheerleaders to further the conflict which has a real possibility of spiraling into a much wider conflict. Just what the world needs huh. That will certainly help in the depopulation plan, won't it.

Your insistence that the U.S. become the savior of another nation while ignoring what is going on in our nation, is irritating for sure.

However, the constant references to those of us who are against U.S. involvement in the Ukraine/Russia conflict, by you & all of the Zelenskyy cheerleaders will neither be meekly tolerated, nor go unchallenged.

You think you are such a clever soul, but in reality you are nothing of the sort. You are either an ignorant useful idiot, or you are a domestic or foreign operative trying to destroy this nation.

27 posted on 12/20/2022 2:20:51 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: Jewbacca
I didn't read much of the rest of your post, for I was in a rush to go feed the animals. Now that I have learned that you are an Israeli, I can understand why you want the U.S. to engage against Russia. It's no skin off of your nose, so it doesn't matter to you if you encourage other Americans to support a proxy war, while ignoring the realities of the invasion to their own country.

I think your country has many ills of its own, like the over vaccination campaign that may destroy your nation as time goes on. I didn't intervene and push for more of your citizens to take the vaccine. Instead I tried to encourage anyone here on the board to stay away from the vaccines.

Your interference is not the same as I would do if you invaded a nation, because I would fully examine all of the facts before coming to a determination. I prefer making informed decisions based upon facts, rather than follow where the crowd may be heading. However, without any evidence you condemn the invasion of Ukraine by Russia, even when people try to point out the reason for them doing so. Russia allowed for the attacks upon Russian citizens for 8 long years in the Donbas region of Eastern Ukraine. He tried to get the international community to put pressure on Ukraine to implement the Minsk accords/agreements (2 of them) that Ukraine had signed in 2014 & 2015. Ukraine even finally admitted that they had no intention of implementing the accords they had signed. Much of that refusal was because the U.S. & U.K. were telling Zelenskyy to not negotiate with Russia, that they would have Ukraine's back. Well, that back they promised was to engage in a proxy war that made the Ukraine citizens fodder & combatants & their homeland the battlefield.

So, your support of this conflict is plain stupidity. Buying the propaganda that Ukraine is winning this conflict, is even greater stupidity. Stop promoting stupidity and start demanding and end to the conflict.

Only then will you be helping the people instead of furthering the death & destruction which your support for the hostility to continue is doing.

Had Zalenskyy come to an agreement, the invasion most likely would have never happened. Furthermore, he most likely would have not lost any land mass to Russia. Russia went in very softly because he did not want to destroy Ukraine's infrastructure. But once Russia was forced to go in full bore, that option is lost now for sure. I don't believe Putin or Russia want anything to do with western Ukraine, unless the conflict keeps going.

29 posted on 12/20/2022 3:09:48 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: Jewbacca

“Whataboutism”

A term popularized by the US Government. Used as a lame defense attempt when confronted with their own massive hypocrisy while they attacks others for doing the exact thing they also do ... in spades.

A nonsense concept of magical thinking.


30 posted on 12/20/2022 3:22:52 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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