Posted on 12/19/2022 6:35:41 AM PST by NorseViking
The US lost in A-stan. The Soviets kicked ass and the government survived 3 years after their withdrawal.
All in all, the low intensity COIN scenario is not applicable to a nation state war.
We brag about “conservative values”, well not taking responsibility for our own actions is not one of them as far as I’m concerned.
Neither is flag waiving and chest thumping like zombies while not even bothering, or refusing, to know what it is what we’re doing.
Arguing with people who engage in this behavior blows but I feel obligated to do this because *nobody* benefits and if it doesn’t stop we’re toast and it’s nobody’s fault but our own.
The Ukraine is a money laundering scheme set up to steal money from US taxpayers. Significant amounts of the cash go right into the coffers of the democRATS.
We know the media lies. We know the political elite, both Democrats and Republicans, lie to us. Why is the war news any different?
I saw Ursula von der Leyen’s video, both the original and the edited one. She unmistakably said Ukraine had suffered a hundred thousand military deaths. Deaths, not casualties, deaths.
So, using the wounded-to-kill ratio of 4:1; this means Ukraine suffered 500,000 casualties (400,000 injured and 100,000 killed). And if Zelensky’s figure of 5:1 to 8:1 is more credible, this translates to up to 900,000 casualties.
How can any country survive such losses? Is it Russian propaganda to point out that soldiers do not grow on trees?
If you want to believe a nation that is losing so many soldiers and whose power, water, and heat infrastructure are getting obliterated by missiles can win against Russia, then that’s your prerogative. But to accuse those pointing out the obvious as “Fake News” or Russian propagandists is uncalled and unfair.
“Ukraine has used thirteen years of Javelin production in ten months.”
Ukraine is not winning Jack! It is all propaganda for the laundromat. Ukraine has become the largest international arms dealer by selling what we ship them. This is all a bad joke being played on the world stage where all the insiders are profiting at the expense of the people of the world. Ukrainian citizens with blood and US citizens with money and it all comes back to those sending that foreign aid money out like candy.
They draft 60 years olds and there are about 20k sheep dipped Poles.
Of course, Ukrainians suffer a lot in this war. Ruzzies are destroying the infrastructure, people get killed and maimed.
But they want the FREEDOM!
Like Patrick Henry.
Give me freedom or give me death!
If the founding fathers worried about death and destruction, Charles III would be our king now!
And without the help of French and Spanish, that could be the case too.
I estimate Ukraine will need to lose about 5X more dead before they capitulate.
They still have a lot of human cannon fodder available, their Azov ideology is firmly entrenched, and NATO / US MIC will make sure every last possible Ukrainian is sacrificed for their strategic plans.
The American Conservative magazine has always been extremely isolationist. They endorsed John Kerry in 2004 and Obama in 2008.
They deleted the portion where Ursula von der Leyen said Ukraine had a hundred thousand dead soldiers and also modified the transcripts. If you look carefully at the “official” video, you will see the snip “jump.” Fortunately, the original video was copied, and you can see it online at various sites.
Ukraine is DS central. It is the core of the Nazi 4th riech.
That's called grasping at straws, or gaslighting, depending on whether the author really believes that the person who miss-spoke stated an actual fact.
I wonder if the author is still trying to find the extra 7 states that Obama mentioned in one of his speeches.
It is a very primitive approach. All sides deserve freedom.
The USSR no longer exists. That monolithic global threat is gone. It has been replaced by an aggressive regional kleptocracy called Russia that is a regional threat to Western and Eastern Europe. A little tough love is in order. Basically, throw the adult child out of the basement and force the Europeans to defend themselves. Time to leave Europe to their own devices against a much smaller and poorer Russia who has put on display in Ukraine a military that is sorely lacking. China is the global and economic threat where we have a vital national security interest, and all of our attention should be directed to the Indo Pacific
“Ukraine has used thirteen years of Javelin production in ten months.”
Exactly, and I didn’t even get into the Chinese connection for raw materials and low-level components. I suspect that China might be, now, having ‘production issues’ on parts that are used in US weapons, and when we look for other potential suppliers, we find one, which is Russia. So we’re forced to virtually re-start our military industrial base from scratch.
Post 9 - That is probably the most accurate assessment.
It is the ‘Reverse Reagan’ being played by Vlad on the western fools.
I’ve thought that all along too. Trump would have had the two leaders at the bargaining table early on instead of sending vast amounts of capital to one of the most corrupt nations in the world.
He wouldn’t have let Ukraine get screwed over in a deal and their infrastructure would still be intact.
yeah, GDP matters! That’s why a bunch of goat humping, boy loving , cavemen in Afghanistan kicked our ass for 20 years and made us leave. Right? The GDP of Afghanistan or Vietnam or North Korea really mattered when we fought them. Maybe it was their sophisticated weapons systems and logistics?
but the same geniuses are telling us Russians are losing. We have soldiers on food stamps, disabled and disfigured veterans begging for money on television and military housing that will give troops cancer and families illnesss due to contamination and mold…… but we have BILLIONS OF DOLLARS for Ukrainian armed forces, government salaries and rebuilding their infrastructure.
when I see or hear any of “our” oligarchs in DC speak or their supporters , I wish they’d grab a big cup of “shut the f&ck up” and just move along.
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