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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky Moves to Outlaw Orthodox Christianity
Big League Politics ^ | Dec 2 2022 | Jordan Epperson

Posted on 12/08/2022 7:26:40 AM PST by euram

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More fake news and fake headlines. The proposed law makes it illegal for certain churches to be controlled by Russian entities. That's like the USA placing legal limitations on mosques if it turned out that they were controlled by ISIS or Al Qaeda.

The actual Ukrainian Orthodox church is not affected by the law at all, except that they may get to administer religious activities at places where the Russian dominated Orthodox church was in control previously.

41 posted on 12/08/2022 9:25:09 AM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: WMarshal
So you will back the leftist totalitarians when they ban Christianity in America.

Do you actually believe the nonsense you post? The law in Ukraine does not ban Christianity, or any sect of it. The ban is against a Russian controlled church organization.

I don't recall seeing you upset about the US government banning ISIS or Al Qaeda from operating mosques here.

Could you show us your posts complaining about the arrest of Muslims from mosques that provided aid to ISIS or Al Qaeda?

42 posted on 12/08/2022 9:29:35 AM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: WMarshal
Freedom of religion has s a human right.

Really? So you think all the world's efforts to destroy ISIS were a bad thing because their right to practice their religion was interfered with.

Are you OK with the types of sacrifices supported by certain religions? How about the Satanic Temple? Do you support them?

43 posted on 12/08/2022 9:33:06 AM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: euram

Russian Orthodox Church has always been a tool of the Russian state, whether under the Tsar, the Commie, or Putin.


44 posted on 12/08/2022 9:34:16 AM PST by Clemenza
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To: freeandfreezing

You focus on the killers and their commanders, you don’t outlaw a religion. Your thinking is how despots thrive.


45 posted on 12/08/2022 10:01:03 AM PST by WMarshal (Neocons and leftards are the same species of vicious rat.f)
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To: WMarshal

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2016/june/no-evangelizing-outside-of-church-russia-proposes.html

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2021/october/russia-ministry-training-law-seminary-moscow-religious-free.html

https://premierchristian.news/us/news/article/ukraine-pro-russian-forces-shutting-down-churches-arresting-pastors

https://arriveministries.org/living-as-a-persecuted-christian-in-russia/


46 posted on 12/08/2022 10:10:12 AM PST by Wuli
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To: lightman

“Time” magazine creep of the year!!!!

God help and save ALL Orthodox Christians!!!!

And NO MORE US money for Zelensky’s Ukraine!!!!


47 posted on 12/08/2022 10:37:23 AM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Boogieman

“With that attitude, soon there won’t be anything but fake news posted on FR”.

That’s why I said what I said.


48 posted on 12/08/2022 10:53:56 AM PST by laplata (They want each crisis to take the greatest toll possible.)
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To: Campion

“No, he isn’t “banning Russian language services”.”

Good point, he’s already outlawed the Russian language. Part of his ethnic cleansing.


49 posted on 12/08/2022 11:16:17 AM PST by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Estonia: 24 degrees)
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To: armydoc

Thanks for your clarification. I met Patriarch Filaret some years back when he was head of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church before it split off.


50 posted on 12/08/2022 11:43:17 AM PST by The Truth Will Make You Free
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To: xzins

I hope that as you look into the actual facts of this, you will acknowledge your error.


51 posted on 12/08/2022 1:48:23 PM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12

***About 67.3% of the population declared adherence to one of the Eastern Orthodox Churches (28.7% of the Kyiv Patriarchate, 23.4% state simply ‘Orthodox’ with no declaration as to which Patriarchate they belong to, 12.8% of the Moscow Patriarchate, 0.3% Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church, and 1.9% other types of Orthodoxy),***


52 posted on 12/08/2022 2:12:00 PM PST by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory. )
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To: xzins

“”In that part of the world, that’s the same as outlawing Christianity.””

Not banning Christianity or the Orthodox denominations, just the Russian/FSB/government-controlled one that is causing problems during this invasion.


53 posted on 12/08/2022 2:21:48 PM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: xzins

If I’m reading this correctly this is how Wiki reports it, most Orthodox in Ukraine are in the Orthodox Church of Ukraine.

“”Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate)
Not to be confused with Orthodox Church of Ukraine.
Members 6% of the Ukrainian Orthodox population””

“”The Orthodox Church of Ukraine
Members 78% of the Ukrainian Orthodox population””


“In late May the uoc, seeking to distance itself from Patriarch Kirill and the Kremlin, proclaimed independence from the Russian Orthodox Church.
Many Ukrainians believe the uoc’s conversion is merely cosmetic. A survey in July revealed that only 4% felt close to it, down from 18% before Russia’s invasion.


54 posted on 12/08/2022 2:34:02 PM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: euram

Ukrainian Orthodox Church “of Moscow” would be an appropriate name.

“Orthodox Church of Ukraine” is different. And not affected by the new law.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartholomew_I_of_Constantinople

“In 2018 the Moscow Patriarchate broke communion with the Ecumenical Patriarchate as a result of disputes over his decision to grant autocephaly to the Orthodox Church of Ukraine”

If I’m wrong maybe someone with better info will correct.


55 posted on 12/08/2022 4:42:28 PM PST by e_castillo
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“...The Ukrainian Orthodox Church is under the Patriarch of Moscow... The other Orthodox denomination is the Orthodox Church of Ukraine...”

Meanwhile...

BRIAN: Are you the Judean People’s Front?
REG: F**k off!
BRIAN: What?
REG: Judean People’s Front. We’re the People’s Front of Judea! Judean People’s Front. Cawk.
FRANCIS: Wankers.
BRIAN: Can I... join your group?
REG: No. Piss off.
PEOPLE’S FRONT OF JUDEA: Shhhh. Shhhh. Shhh. Shh. Shhhh.
REG: Stumm.
JUDITH: Are you sure?
BRIAN: Oh, dead sure. I hate the Romans already.
REG: Listen. If you wanted to join the P.F.J., you’d have to really hate the Romans.
BRIAN: I do!
REG: Oh, yeah? How much?
BRIAN: A lot!
REG: Right. You’re in. Listen. The only people we hate more than the Romans are the f**king Judean People’s Front.
P.F.J.: Yeah...
JUDITH: Splitters.
P.F.J.: Splitters...
FRANCIS: And the Judean Popular People’s Front.
P.F.J.: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Splitters. Splitters...
LORETTA: And the People’s Front of Judea.
P.F.J.: Yeah. Splitters. Splitters...
REG: What?
LORETTA: The People’s Front of Judea. Splitters.
REG: We’re the People’s Front of Judea!
LORETTA: Oh. I thought we were the Popular Front.
REG: People’s Front! C-huh.
FRANCIS: Whatever happened to the Popular Front, Reg?
REG: He’s over there.
P.F.J.: Splitter!


56 posted on 12/08/2022 5:31:04 PM PST by dayglored (Strange Women Lying In Ponds Distributing Swords - Arthur Pendragon 2024)
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To: euram

As usual, Putinists are allowed to outright lie, gaslight and generally use any dishonest tactic they want on FR.


57 posted on 12/08/2022 5:47:42 PM PST by Dat
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To: euram

More Kremlin Propoganda. Ukraine isn’t going after Christians or the Ukranian Orthodox Church. It is going after KGB agents who are betraying Ukraine and thus the status of the Ukranian Orthodox Church as Ukranian.

https://emerging-europe.com/news/explainer-no-ukraines-president-hasnt-banned-the-orthodox-church/

Kremlinchick Carlson has fogotten about US actions during the Civil War, World War 1, and World War 2. We also sought to prevent the Soviet Union from controlling the Orthodox Church in America.


58 posted on 12/08/2022 11:05:47 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." )
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To: euram

Georgia’s future hangs on the outcome of the war in Ukraine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBFz3e4JLO4


59 posted on 12/14/2022 12:58:40 AM PST by linMcHlp
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