Posted on 12/05/2022 5:24:08 PM PST by Nextrush
>> How about PUNISHMENT for those who cause them? I’m sure there are PLENTY of state laws that do!! <<
Except a certain president just spent four years preaching about how law enforcement has no authority over the president, and the president has absolute power to grant pardons. So good luck with that.
Did he find the strawberries yet?
“How many people think Sarah Palin claimed she could see Russia from her front porch?”
Whose to say she couldn’t.... with the right optics?
Donald Trump: “The Sun Rises in the East.”
Swampocrat Media: “Trump denies rotation of the Earth!!!!”
PART C - OFFENSES INVOLVING PUBLIC OFFICIALS AND VIOLATIONS OF FEDERAL ELECTION CAMPAIGN LAWS §2C1.1. Offering, Giving, Soliciting, or Receiving a Bribe; Extortion Under Color of Official Right; Fraud Involving the Deprivation of the Intangible Right to Honest Services of Public Officials; Conspiracy to Defraud by Interference with Governmental Functions
https://www.ussc.gov/guidelines/2018-guidelines-manual/2018-chapter-2-c
*sigh*... Really? You just HAD to go there?
He said what he said. Just as in my example of him saying "Good Morning", you are reading in to it what you want.
This says more about you than it does him.
The efficacy of their control system is seriously in doubt when even our major crimes units have trouble cracking a 30% solved crime rate.
Sure, they have more toys... But we’ve had DECADES worth of conversation about how to overcome even those.
No. We lack the will. Without that, no technical or numerical superiority would be enough to win. With that, no technical or numerical superiority could stop us.
That is not an answer, the 2020 election was stolen, what do you suggest we do about that? Or are you just willing to see the Republic die?
Not sure what to say. Trump called for two remedies in his first post that are not authorized by the Constitution, and in his second, said “steps must be immediately taken to right the wrong.” And the Constitution doesn’t provide for that either.
“That being said I have read his quote a dozen times rolling it around in my head each time and it sure appears to me that he WAS advocating going extraconstitutional to rectify election fraud.
If so it’s troublesome and disconcerting.”
Very troubling.
The Constitution has no specific about this, though. Laws and procedures already passed by Congress, State and Local authorities are being denied, prevented by those in power.
The Press is all for this denial and hiding. Few if any seem able and willing, and they are blocked from the only legal, reasonable recourse or even investigation.
The problem is, how is the doubt, mistrust and very probable
fact of election shenanigans dealt with? If the Courts will not, if those who have doubts are shoved aside as ‘crazies,’ if the ‘normal’ legal responses are denied, what is there left but the example of Athens? And on the scale that would call for, there is only Civil War.
I am frightened.
Both sides must take a good, clear look at what is, or might be the problem. For either party to deny any good look is to appear as one hiding something EVIL. The guilty flee . . . or hide . . .
“...the 2020 election was stolen, what do you suggest we do about that? Or are you just willing to see the Republic die?>
Of course not. We should do absolutely everything possible short of violating the rule of law. It may be necessary sometime in the future to go extraconstitutional, but now is NOT that time and that action should be unconditionally the last resort bar none.
“And now everyone’s talking about what to do when elections have been stolen. That was Trump’s original intent, and its worked like a charm.”
That was already a hot topic. All his tweet did is make people think Trump has gone psycho. That he really MAY be a danger to democracy since he believes he should be installed as President - and to hell with the US Constitution.
I don’t think Trump can win the Republican primary. I won’t vote for him. My wife won’t. No one in my family will - and we all voted for Trump twice. There is now questioning among friends and family if we would vote for him in a GENERAL ELECTION, when that wasn’t in any doubt before the latest stupidity.
Trump has lost 2024. Not fraud. He’s already lost any future election. He’s driven too many of his supporters away and he didn’t have many to spare. He would get his butt whipped in Arizona and other battleground states.
“This is simply more DISINFORMATION....”
It’s worse than all that sir... its projection.
Yes, their response makes it crystal clear. They protest too much.
Again you do not answer. Bye
But, there apparently are some who believe that MAGA voters are the majority in the country, and they don't need any other votes. So that argument isn't going to be very persuasive to them.
McCarthy has one job, hold the Dems & corrupt government officials accountable at every level. Leave the legislation to his team.
What I see about President Trump is that he is still a lone wolf fighter. He doesn’t have an ability to utilize strong staff and especially a strong staff that he uses as a full sounding board and distributive apparatus. Most strong governmental and military leaders in history have used such individuals. There have been a few exceptions, amongst them, Winston Churchill.
Churchill was a revisor, a rehearser and a practiced rhetorician knowing how to listen to and review his own words. He dictated and transcribed almost all of his speeches and rehearsed them prior to delivery. Trump will use prepared speeches on occasion but is overly dependent on his argumentative gifts off-the-cuff; the talent that made him an historic deal maker.
This is a component that made him unable to properly delegate and staff beyond those areas he was not passionately involved minute by minute. We see here an example of this limitation — he simply had no strong lieutenant to tell him, No boss, that isn’t how you need to say it.
President Trump has announced he is seeking the 2024 nomination from the Republican Party. Unfortunately he is still consumed by other battles he feels he should be fighting. As supporters we failed to fight those battles on his behalf immediately after the 2020 election in the State legislatures and the result is the problems with 2022 and the problems with his current campaign. We mistakenly looked to Judges, journalists and law enforcement officials to fight those battles elsewhere. We failed to follow the Constitution.
Our historic founding fathers did not make our War for Independence, they were just those remembered and honored. The effort for independence was started by the individual colonies stylinging themselves as free states and sending representatives to their successive Continental Congresses. Various “resolves” and “acts” were done by local states long before the Lee Resolution as offered by Virginia was approved on July 2, 1776 and the historic Declaration was transcribed repeating earlier stated ideas by Mason, Adams and others.
We are not relying on the power of the States to rectify our problems, we are like the South Americans of the 1800s, always looking for “a man on a horse” to save us rather than do the hard peaceful work necessary to get started ourselves. Even when we do such efforts we make the perfect the enemy of the possible and back bite amounts ourselves.
BWAAAAHAHAHAHA, apparently not the answer YOU WANTED. Too bad.
Now I’m going to take Mark Twain’s advice concerning arguing with a food.
Have a pleasant morning.
I can’t speak for the country, but the 2022 election in Arizona convinced me MAGA isn’t the majority of the vote in Arizona. The Trump slate won in the primaries but not overwhelmingly so. The race for governor was tight in the PRIMARY.
Then just two months later, voting started in the general election. And the MAGA slate fell short. It varied with the quality of the candidate. A couple came close.
And the “Fraud!” thing is anathema to Independents. I’m tired of it doo. Since the vote, Trump has shot himself in the foot at least 4 times - calling it a great night FOR HIM, attacking 2 good governors, and now saying he should somehow be made President regardless of the Constitution.
Folks can try to figure out a way to make his last statement okay. But I’m not willing to tie myself into knots to make sense of it. If I won’t, Independents certainly won’t. The non-MAGA part of the Republican Party - which is about 45% of the party in Arizona - won’t. And the Democrats are salivating at a chance to beat Trump like a drum with it!
You may remember the Howard Dean Moment - the “Dean Scream”:
“In terms of exposure on talk shows, Jay Leno responded, “Did you see Dean’s speech last night? Oh my God! Now I hear the cows in Iowa are afraid of getting mad Dean disease. It’s always a bad sign when at the end of your speech, your aide is shooting you with a tranquilizer gun;”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_scream
How to Lose the Presidency: Howard Dean Scream | Night Class | History:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeZGePI62rU
I think Trump’s “Damn the Constitution” tweet is HIS “Dean Scream”. It plays into the worries voters already had about Trump.
“It’s always a bad sign when at the end of your speech, your aide is shooting you with a tranquilizer gun...”
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