Posted on 11/30/2022 8:35:10 PM PST by FarCenter
In a shocking statement that has now been withdrawn, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen wrote that Ukraine has lost 100,000 soldiers and 20,000 civilians in the Ukraine war.
This conforms to comments made by US Joint Chief of Staff head General Mark Milley, who in a speech at a conference hosted by New York’s Economic Club said that more than 100,000 Russian soldiers have been killed or wounded in the war and that the number of troop casualties is probably the “same” for Ukraine’s army.
Ukraine’s heavy casualties are a signal that Washington’s de facto war with Russia is in trouble. President Joe Biden has to change direction or face a national security crisis that could end his presidency.
Ukraine may look as if it were winning. The truth is the opposite because Ukraine is running out of manpower it cannot replace. It is losing by attrition on the battlefield and, with the Russians systematically destroying its infrastructure, millions of Ukrainians have fled abroad. It is unlikely the country could recover even if the war should end tomorrow.
Meanwhile, Russia’s manpower problems are less severe. Moscow has been replenishing its supply of front-line troops through an unpopular conscription program at home that has now been extended to the territories in Ukraine that it occupies.
Russia’s proxy army, the Wagner Group, also has been significantly enlarged from 8,000 last April to nearly 40,000 now. Many Wagner Group fighters have been recruited from Russian prisons and some have been brought in from other countries, especially the Middle East and Africa.
Ukrainian estimates the number of Wagner Group casualties at between 800 and 1,000; others put them at 3,000.
Among the most stunning bits of information that have recently surfaced, reports in Poland say that around 1,200 Polish “volunteers” have been killed in Ukraine. These appear to have been drawn from Poland’s active land army, which consists of three main divisions.
This isn't particularly alarming so far, but they are unlikely to keep up the pace for more than a couple years more.
The Iran Iraq war would be a good standard for comparison. While estimates vary, something like 500,000 casualties per side is in the ballpark.
Are not both sides of the political rogue government sending another 30 billion to Zelensky while trying to keep silent on air Marshall’s being sent to the southern AMERICAN border to silence our own invasion?
Same rogue government? Same monies sent elsewhere by ALL while America is being invaded and barely an article on the madness.
Gotta beat Russia, Russia, Russia.
Get out your Q-Krainian flags kiddies.
Afghanistan was a complete loss.
The border is a loss.
The drugs are a loss.
We’re losing trade to Chyna.
Ukraine is a loss.
Look at shiny objects elsewhere?
In WWII, the US suffered an average of 220 killed per day - in a country about 4X the population of present day Ukraine.
On the other hand, Germany suffered about 1500 dead per day during WWII, with about 2X Ukraine's pre-war population
So how long are Ukraine's casualties sustainable?
I can’t believe the cranky old fag in the White House has the ignorant morons living in this country all upset and concerned about the Ukie casualties killed by Russkis invading the Ukraine but couldn’t care less about the Americans murdered by invaders crossing our border. Biden is an America-hating commie pig.
If this is winning, I’d hate to see what losing looks like.
“So how long are Ukraine’s casualties sustainable?”
We killed about 100K North Vietnamese a year for about 12 years.
The Soviets in Afghanistan killed about the same number per year for a decade.
If history is a lesson the number of casualties a people are willing to endure to protect their homeland is very large.
That's good, because the Russians intend to kill a lot more, and the US MIC really hopes to make a lot more $$ from it as well.
Winning?
Glad to hear that Russia's unprovoked attack and land-seizure is going so well that it is now reduced to having to scrape the bottle of the barrel for recruitment!
What's next? A Volkssturm?
But don't worry! Everything will turn to the better, once Steiner's Army attacks and saves Berlin! The Führer has promised!
Regards,
Most countries in NATO are having serious second thoughts about supporting Ukraine. One reason is, as you mentioned. is the MIC/American war profiteering....while many of them prepare for a cold winter.
The European Commission’s deputy chief spokeswoman Dana Spinant tweeted a correction, writing: “Many thanks to those who pointed out the inaccuracy regarding the figures in a previous version of this video.”
She added: “The estimation used, from external sources, should have referred to casualties, i.e. both killed and injured, and was meant to show Russia’s brutality.”
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-russia-von-der-leyen-death-toll-1763553
Man of my heart. see post #2. Sadly, I get berated daily for trying to bring attention to our own border. Most people can’t see it...can’t see the hypocrisy. BTW how do the Clinton’s get away with Uranium One and still screaming about Russia?
If Ukraine is lost the Biden Crime Syndicate portfolio will take a beating.
When this thing started people at the hospital where I work were all sporting blue and yellow and saying “I stand with Ukraine''. I'd laugh at them and some would say "How can you be like that, people are dying!''. I'd ask the person telling me this "How much of the history of these two peoples do you know?'' Nothing but blank stares is all I'd get. I'd tell my co workers "Here's all you need to know: "Look! The Russians and Ukrainians are killing each other- again! A year ago these same people couldn't have located Ukraine on a map as big as a barn door and now it's the most important spot in the whole world. The Russians and Ukrainians are two scorpions in a bottle.
>> Russia’s unprovoked attack
You know that’s not the way Putin sees it.
Casualties are killed + wounded. Depends on what the ratio is for Ukraine and if the 100k number is even true.
Ukrainian troops have gotten a lot of western training and western militaries are really good at making the wounded survive.
In 2014 Ukrainians had terrible medkits and procedures. This was one of the first things partner nations addressed Ukrainians have gotten much better in 8 years.
Russians likely have the same miserable or even worse level that Ukrainians had then and they’re the invading party making things more difficult.
Putin see’s the existence of Ukraine as an independent country as an unprovoked attack.
Again? Do you know anything about the history of that region?
The last time there was killing was by Russians carrying out the holodomor
What do you mean "again"?
Ri-iight ! So you're saying that it's okay to laugh, even when thousands of innocents are dying, when orphanages are being rocket-bombed, as long as it is happening in an area previously plagued by strife.
That somehow provokes you to laughter - when people profess that they side with the victim in this case?
Regards,
Germany’s pre-WW II population was less than twice Ukraine’s 2022 population.
Germany’s military losses were about 5 million killed and 7 million wounded.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
On the other hand, the Ukraine war is what von Clausewitz called a “cabinet war”, a politically motivated war fought with limited means for a limited end, rather than a “total war” fought with all resources for existence.
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