Posted on 11/27/2022 7:43:42 PM PST by FarCenter
NEW YORK – What if they had a tech war and nobody came? This updated version of a meme from the 1960s Vietnam War protests may well apply to America’s most drastic trade restrictions against a rival since the Cold War.
The world’s top player in semiconductor technology, Holland’s ASML, has opposed high-profile US demands to stop selling its machines to China, and there’s no indication the Dutch government is ready to yield to Washington. Indeed some media reports have interpreted a statement by the Dutch trade minister as a rejection.
ASML makes the world’s best lithography machines, and has sold nearly 200 Deep Ultraviolet (DUV) units to Chinese chip manufacturers. Its most advanced Extreme Ultraviolet equipment, needed to make chips with transistor widths of six nanometers or less, uses enough American intellectual property to allow Washington to block its sale to China.
But the older DUV technology, used to make 16-nanometer chips and – with some constraints – seven-nanometer chips, isn’t subject to US restrictions.
The Dutch likely will continue to sell it to China despite American demands to stop. Chinese companies aver that they can work around American restrictions. Meanwhile, South Korean chip producers are selling their newest chips to China; and America’s beleaguered semiconductor equipment manufacturers are devising ways to get under the US Commerce Department’s new rules, announced October 6.
“It is important that we defend our own interests — our national safety, but also our economic interests,” Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher said November 23 at the Dutch parliament.
Senior US officials will travel to the Netherlands later this month to lobby the Dutch on China, but there are indications that the Dutch government has already made its decision.
Japanese companies including Tokyo Electron, Canon and Nikon also sell equipment to China. The Japanese government hasn’t given a straight answer to Washington’s demands to stop shipments to China, which buys about 20% of Japan’s chipmaking machines.
But Japan’s Establishment is “sick and tired of the decoupling with China imposed by the US,” Nikkei Asia chief editor Shigesaburo Okumara reported from the Trilateral Commission meeting in Tokyo last weekend.
An American semiconductor industry expert told Asia Times, “The US government is run by people who have no idea how the industry works. You don’t need five-nanometer chips for industrial applications. A 5G handset has to process a lot of data and uses a lot of power, so the new chips are important. But what counts in an industrial process isn’t the speed of the chip as much as the quality of the software and the systems design.”
I’ll bet you can work an anti Trump angle into this. I know you can.
Case in point: South Africa
Sanctions worked to get South Africa to end apartheid.
Then the sanctions ultimately failed as we can see how South Africa ended up.
No. The article doesn’t mention Trump at all. He appears to be irrelevant.
A couple of years back, the author argued that Huawei would conquer the world.
https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/the-chinese-challenge/
On August 25, 2022, Huawei’s CEO stated that the company’s continued existence was in doubt over the next decade. Conquering the world may have to take a back seat.
South Africa ended up shitty, because the retards gained power.
From nuclear weapons to necklacing.
That’s their legacy.
Maybe the sanctions worked as our elites intended.
Certainly possible.
I know if I was white, I would leave there.
I don’t care how many generations were there previously.
Apartheid had to go. South Africa should have been split up. City states of Pretoria and Johannesburg. Independent nations of Zululand and Xhosa Nation. Plus the realm of Capetown.
You would have Xhosa, Zulu, Afrikaners, Coloreds and Indians all get representation in their "home countries". They will be far more prosperous than what we see today in modern day South Africa.
“The South Africans did what the West told them, i.e. let the retards take power.”
South Africa was actually doing quite well, even with the psycho-sanctions. For example, they were energy independent, due to technologies they developed that were decades ahead of its time.
But they simply ran out of luck, much like the US, and elected a government hell-bent on destroying their country. ...and you only get to make that mistake once.
They seem to favor splitting countries up when Western Europeans are in charge, and not so much when its Muslims or Africans.
Tiny nations in the Middle East are prosperous. Okay, they have oil. But it's easier to manage a nation of couple of million people than a huge country with many millions of various nationalities.
Q for engineers on here: WHY is ASML so dominant in this space? Is there any way they can be challenged by a U.S. company?
>> and elected a government hell-bent on destroying their country. ...and you only get to make that mistake once.
How many times have we made that mistake?
2008
2012
2020*
*Stolen, but same outcome
Anyone with Ryan’s grasp of reality, is not FarCenter.
He’s a freakin Leftist, that tossed away the first chance
in decades to help get this nation back on track, so he
could look like big man on campus.
He’s a man with almost no intellect, convinced he really
outsmarted everyone in 2017 & 2018.
Look at our nation now Paul. How did betraying Trump
help this nation?
What?
(BJ, Dole, Gore, Chimpy the pretzel boy AKA The Tick) Obama, the traitor, Romney, Clinton, Biden = Same team
Hmmm...sounds like a little “Ragnar Danneskjold” action is called for...
I’ll give you Clintoon.
“Chimpy” (W) was (and is) a screw-up, but was never intending to destroy America. Anyway, by your loose standards you’d need to include his daddy too.
Dole, Gore, Traitor McCain, Romney, Her Heinous were never elected (thank GOD).
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