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Congress should end the war in Ukraine by withdrawing from NATO
The Hill ^ | 11/25/2022 | BRUCE FEIN

Posted on 11/25/2022 12:08:52 PM PST by ChicagoConservative27

Congress can end the war in Ukraine and win a Nobel Peace Prize by enacting a statute withdrawing the United States from NATO — transforming it from a mighty offensive oak into a tiny acorn unalarming to Russia.

As early as 1798, Congress nullified a defense treaty with France by statute. A congressional end to United States participation in NATO would be no constitutional novelty.

At the very latest, NATO became obsolete in 1991 when its raison d’etre — the Soviet Empire — dissolved. By remaining in NATO and spearheading its expansion to Russia’s borders with 30 members, the United States provoked President Vladimir Putin’s attack on Ukraine. It was poised to join NATO to fortify the encirclement of an already diminished Russia constituting a greater existential threat to it than the existential threat the Cuban missile crisis posed to the United States.

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To: Angelino97
Had NATO been shut down in 1991, had the West taken a friendly attitude toward Russia (as we did toward Germany and Japan after WW2)...

Uh, I guess you forgot about the Boris Yeltsin years...


101 posted on 11/25/2022 3:24:05 PM PST by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: MarMema
Where has he stated that?

Article by Vladimir Putin ”On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians“

Putin approves new foreign policy doctrine based on 'Russian World'

Address by the President of the Russian Federation, February 21, 2022

Address by the President of the Russian Federation, February 24, 2022

Trump certainly thinks so.

Trump claims Putin invaded Ukraine to rebuild the Soviet Union, which he said was 'full of love'

102 posted on 11/25/2022 3:37:02 PM PST by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Putin made the case for NATO over and over this year with his mindless and endless nuclear threats. NATO is now bigger and stronger thanks to Putin.


103 posted on 11/25/2022 3:37:49 PM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: Timber Rattler

Didn’t forget about Yeltsin. He oversaw the financial rape of Russia by Western-backed oligarchs. Putin was the reaction.


104 posted on 11/25/2022 3:50:17 PM PST by Angelino97
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To: WMarshal

Your assumptions prove you to be the shallow (and arrogant) “thinker”.

I was stationed in Berlin during the Cold War, guarded Rudolph Hess in Spandau, and participated in a number of activities that I cannot discuss. My knowledge of Germany and its’ history are a bit different from the average American - and I’ll wager a lot more firsthand than yours.

The subject article - and my reply - regard dissolution of NATO -essentially unilateral disarmament as has been promulgated by the communist left in the US for most of my life. It was precisely this attitude negotiated by Neville prior to the Battle of Britain with the Nazis that idolized his comment of “peace in our time”, hence my prior comment.

Piss off.


105 posted on 11/25/2022 3:50:58 PM PST by datura (Eventually, the Lord and the Truth will win.)
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To: Angelino97
Putin was the reaction.

Uh, Yeltsin raised Comrade Putin out of bureaucratic obscurity and made him his successor. There was NO reaction. Period.

106 posted on 11/25/2022 3:58:53 PM PST by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: Timber Rattler

“Nevermind the fact that Comrade Putin’s stated goal is to REBUILD the Soviet Union.”

Link please.


107 posted on 11/25/2022 4:09:12 PM PST by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Estonia: 24 degrees)
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To: Angelino97

“America First means no foreign aid. Europe, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Japan — all are rich and can afford to pay 100% of their own defense.”

Actually no longer true for Europe, they’re basically on a high speed run to Third World status, given their Suicide Sanctions against Russia.


108 posted on 11/25/2022 4:11:34 PM PST by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Estonia: 24 degrees)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

“Congress should end the war in Ukraine by withdrawing from NATO”

I’ll second that!


109 posted on 11/25/2022 4:25:57 PM PST by TheDon (Resist the usurpers)
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To: discostu; JonPreston

“You do have an established record of being completely wrong about everything.”

Here is one to giggle over:

It’s over, and the Ukrainian people can thank Russia later for beating back Biden and Zelensky’s twisted form of democracy 21 posted on 5/28/2022, 10:50:00 AM by JonPreston


110 posted on 11/25/2022 5:08:13 PM PST by FreshPrince
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To: FreshPrince

How’s mommy, rumball?


111 posted on 11/25/2022 5:17:21 PM PST by JonPreston
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To: Timber Rattler

France, Spain, and Great Britain were the predatory threats to us in those days.


112 posted on 11/25/2022 5:28:48 PM PST by rxh4n1
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To: ChicagoConservative27

This is a very good plan. NATO has little or no benefit for North America.


113 posted on 11/25/2022 5:58:55 PM PST by Candor7
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I’ll buy that for a Dollar.


114 posted on 11/25/2022 8:54:39 PM PST by Glad2bnuts ("None of the people I know who didn't take take the Jab regrets their decision" ZERO)
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To: WMarshal

+1


115 posted on 11/25/2022 8:56:29 PM PST by Glad2bnuts ("None of the people I know who didn't take take the Jab regrets their decision" ZERO)
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To: Angelino97

+1


116 posted on 11/25/2022 8:57:11 PM PST by Glad2bnuts ("None of the people I know who didn't take take the Jab regrets their decision" ZERO)
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To: econjack

Bruce Fein has veered to the Leftwing of libertarian Party. He was once a sound voice for conservatives. What a waste.


117 posted on 11/25/2022 9:32:52 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (Figures )
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To: ChicagoConservative27

One thing I notice that TheHill is looking at the wrong way: Putin is not the guy who needs to save face in the picture.


118 posted on 11/26/2022 12:02:53 AM PST by ganeemead (Ukraine/Zelensky: Adding an element of chutzpah to ordinary Nazism...)
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To: Republican Wildcat

“Ukraine’s security was assured via the Budapest Memorandum.”

The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances comprises three substantially identical political agreements signed at the OSCE conference in Budapest, Hungary, on 5 December 1994, to provide security assurances by its signatories relating to the accession of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). The three memoranda were originally signed by three nuclear powers: the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States. But that does not fall under the mission statement of NATO as they are only to defend the countries that are members of the NATO organization (See their mission statement on their web site). Russia signed this and with Putin the country has violated this agreement. But it, also, does not fall under their membership code thus is not an action consistent with their ideals. How can they say they defend NATO allies only if they go further? All NATO can do is supply assistance, not be part of the wear itself. Yet they are supplying weapons, t3echnology, and instruction in their use thus arming the Ukrainians. Plus members of the UN are not allowed to in any treaty Arms Trade Treaty doced in April 2013 by the General Assembly of the United Nations. According to the three memoranda, Russia, the US and the UK confirmed their recognition of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine becoming parties to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and effectively abandoning their nuclear arsenal to Russia and that they agreed to the following:

Respect the signatory’s independence and sovereignty in the existing borders.

Refrain from the threat or the use of force against the signatory.

Refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by the signatory of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.

Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they “should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used”.

Refrain from the use of nuclear arms against the signatory.
Consult with one another if questions arise regarding those commitments.

There is nothing in there about supporting a civil war.

I stand corrected on Russia’s membership. NATO is a defensive alliance, whose purpose is to protect their members. Their official policy is that “NATO does not seek confrontation and poses no threat to the Russian Federation.”

But because NATO has reached out to Russia consistently and publicly over the past 30 years I considered Russia and the NATO alliance partners. They worked together on issues ranging from counter-narcotics and counter-terrorism to submarine rescue and civil emergency planning – even during periods of NATO enlargement. However, in 2014, in response to Russia’s aggressive actions against Ukraine, NATO suspended practical cooperation with Russia.

Russia broke it. So did the Ukraine. But everyone that supplied arms and instruction violated the UN treaty. Take your pick.

wy69


119 posted on 11/26/2022 9:43:56 AM PST by whitney69
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To: Timber Rattler

None of these make the claim you did, that Putin wants to return to or rebuild the USSR.

Got a link for that claim?


120 posted on 11/26/2022 2:29:54 PM PST by MarMema (No bugs for consumption)
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