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To: Cronos

Ukraine, you are not actually a sovereign nation if another nation has to not only foot the bill for your war and supply the weapons but also has to pay to keep your entire country’s economy afloat.


7 posted on 11/19/2022 3:19:08 AM PST by McCarthysGhost (q)
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To: McCarthysGhost

wrong, sovereignty is inherent and doesn’t depend on support

and Russia already promised to recognize Ukraine’s sovereignty (as well as all the other former Soviet members) back in 1991, when the old Soviet Union broke up

since then Russia gone back on its promise by attacking Armenia, Georgia, and Ukraine

but it’s interesting they way excuses are constantly made to deny Ukraine’s sovereignty now ... it reeks of Russian desperation to justify their illegal invasion

“just sayin” ...


8 posted on 11/19/2022 3:30:23 AM PST by canuck_conservative (20 years of being over target!!!)
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To: McCarthysGhost

They wouldn’t have had to if Yanukovych hadn’t sold out his national financial independence AND enabling an invasion of his country to Putin in return for billions of rubles, Russian sanctuary, and a promise of being installed as Gauleiter For Life if Russia had been successful in its hostile takeover in 2014.

Ukraine may well have been able to be self sufficient if it hadn’t had Russia constantly throwing spanners into the works.

You know in 2013 Russia pledged billions in life support bailouts to Ukraine if it binned EU integration and locked itself into an exclusive Russia First deal. They never came up with the goods. Instead they invaded Crimea with Yanukovych colluding.

Gangsterism in action. Offer a bailout on condition of control down the line, add penalties for default, then rob the victim while stalling the loan.

Putin’s regime knew exactly what it was doing to a cordial neighbor that didn’t threatened it in any way at all, and the sad thing is, there are people in the west who call themselves conservatives, who think Russia had justification AND think Ukraine deserved it.

With hindsight Ukraine should’ve strung Yanukovych up on a lamp post, signed the EU trade deal, told Putin’s to pound sand, and got hold of a nuke to strike Moscow if one boot crossed the border.


10 posted on 11/19/2022 3:43:10 AM PST by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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To: McCarthysGhost
Ukraine, you are not actually a sovereign nation if another nation has to not only foot the bill for your war and supply the weapons but also has to pay to keep your entire country’s economy afloat.

Between 1778 and 1782 the French provided supplies, arms and ammunition, uniforms, and, most importantly, troops and naval support to the beleaguered Continental Army. The French navy transported reinforcements, fought off a British fleet, and protected Washington’s forces in Virginia. French assistance was crucial in securing the British surrender at Yorktown in 1781.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1776-1783/french-alliance#:~:text=Between%201778%20and%201782%20the,protected%20Washington's%20forces%20in%20Virginia.

23 posted on 11/19/2022 4:31:19 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: McCarthysGhost

That was the case for the USSR and to an extent the UK during world war two. Do you think they weren’t sovereign?


34 posted on 11/19/2022 5:00:48 AM PST by Cronos (.)
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