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Time for Ukraine to talk to Russia? ‘Nuts!’
Politico ^ | 18th November 2022 | James Dettmer

Posted on 11/19/2022 2:57:12 AM PST by Cronos

No one wants to sit down with foes who bomb their homes indiscriminately and target their energy infrastructure, plunging households into darkness and forcing surgeons in hospitals to perform operations by torchlight.

And as the remains of civilians tortured by Russian soldiers occupying the southern city of Kherson are unearthed, the cold fury Ukrainians felt at the documented abuses — from rape to casually gunning down non-combatants in Bucha and Irpin — only intensifies.

.... Nuts!” also fairly sums up the reaction of “ordinary” Ukrainians I spoke with this week, as to whether they would endorse peace negotiations — and whether they’d be willing to trade any land in the Donbas, or the whole of Crimea, for peace.

Yuliya Grigor, whose soldier husband is currently undergoing treatment for severe shell shock, said Ukraine can win this fight, if the West stays true and constant. The 35-year-old charity worker, who is from Mauripol but now lives in Lviv, said, “Russians don’t understand that however many missiles they throw at us, we won’t give in, surrender or negotiate. And they can’t divide us.”

“We don’t have anything to talk about. Putin doesn’t understand Ukraine is a separate, sovereign country and is united. Anyway, he doesn’t even know the meaning of the word peace. So, there is no sense in talking with them,” she added. ...

Yuliya isn’t alone in her vehemence. I interviewed a dozen others in the underground parking lot of a Lviv shopping mall that now serves as a bomb shelter...

“I disagree, and there can be no talks, no agreements because Russia will always break any deals; you can’t trust them. All countries recognized Ukraine’s borders in 1991, and this is our country."

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.eu ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: biden; burisma; eurowankers; ftx; intothegunsdearukies; jamesdettmer; money; moneylaundering; propaganda; sunsetonbritian; tothelastukenazi; tothelastukie; ukenazisgoingdown; ukiecannonfodder; ukraine; winteriscoming
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To: tlozo

“Idiotic, russia is struggling against Ukraine...”

Still in denial huh?

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#USHasHardlyAnymoreToSendSorryGrifter
#NATOHasHardlyAnymoreToSendSorryGrifter


81 posted on 11/19/2022 6:02:27 AM PST by cranked
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To: DannyTN
PRAY to whatever god you believe in that money don't dry up!
82 posted on 11/19/2022 6:04:12 AM PST by cranked
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To: Cronos

Why should we care what a Polack and a Canuck think about what the US should do?

How about you two losers get your chickenshit countries to do something…


83 posted on 11/19/2022 6:06:02 AM PST by EEGator
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To: cranked
Still in denial huh?

Even russian tv acknowledges russia is struggling. A truth speaker on Russian Propaganda TV


84 posted on 11/19/2022 6:07:18 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: DannyTN
Russia has turned Ukraine into a seething caldron of hate towards Russia.

Anastasia Blyschyk explains why she joined the Ukrainian Army.


85 posted on 11/19/2022 6:08:04 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: tlozo

‘Russians use 40-60,000 artillery shells every day — Commander in Chief’
https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/08/16/russians-use-40-60000-artillery-shells-every-day-commander-in-chief/#:~:text=Russians%20fire%2040%2D60%2C000%20artillery,Canadian%20counterpart%20General%20Wayne%20Eyre.

‘Russia is hammering Ukraine with up to 60,000 artillery shells and rockets every day’
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/russia-artillery-rocket-strikes-east-ukraine/

‘Zaluzhny: The occupiers release up to 60,000 munitions on Ukrainian positions every day’
https://babel.ua/en/news/83037-zaluzhny-the-occupiers-release-up-to-60-000-munitions-on-ukrainian-positions-every-day

‘To put the numbers in context: During all of Operation Desert Storm, both the Marines and the Army fired a little more than 60,000 artillery rounds.’
https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2018/02/06/these-marines-in-syria-fired-more-artillery-than-any-battalion-since-vietnam/

“Ukraine war veterans on how Kiev plundered US aid, wasted soldiers, endangered civilians, and lost the war”
https://thegrayzone.com/2022/08/18/ukraine-veterans-us-aid-soldiers-war/

“A Ukrainian’s Letter from the Front
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94RYVNg9bfA

‘Ukrainian General estimates Kiev’s losses at hundreds of thousands since Feb’
https://tass.com/politics/1501881

‘UKRAINIAN BATTLE LOSSES REVEALED’
https://seemorerocks.is/ukrainian-battle-losses-revealed/

“Wounded Ukrainian soldiers reveal steep toll of Kherson offensive - ‘We lost five people for every one they did’”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/07/ukraine-kherson-offensive-casualties-ammunition/

‘In Ukraine’s South, Fierce Fighting and Deadly Costs’
https://archive.ph/MtHyd#selection-383.0-383.52

“Kharkov Offensive: “You Can Always Regain Territory—You Cannot Regain Human Lives.” - Jacques Baud”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6GFaOQOpEs

“The Limits of Ukraine’s Offensive and the High Price to Pay When it Ends”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pONjlORXdFQ

“The irretrievable losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine as of October 20, 2022 amounted to 402,000 people , of which 387,000 were killed...”
https://t.me/nologica/5535

“War and Regrets in Ukraine - at least 400,000 Ukrainian battlefield casualties including 100,000 soldiers killed in action”
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/war-and-regrets-in-ukraine/

‘Putin: losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine reach the ratio of one to seven or one to eight’
https://ria.ru/20221027/vsu-1827349540.html?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop

“Only 1 out of 13 Ukrainian Servicemen Survives. They Even Do Not See Russians, just Sea of Fire”
https://rumble.com/v1molmc-only-1-out-of-13-ukrainian-servicemen-survives.-wokenato-even-do-not-see-ru.html

“The average lifespan of a Ukrainian mobilized recruit now is approximately 10 days — from the time he is grabbed off the street to the time he falls on the battlefield.
Foreign mercenaries—which by and large have become regular Polish and Romanian (and other NATO countries’) troops masquerading as “volunteers” — loath the idea of being used as cannon fodder and behave as regular colonial expeditionary forces.”
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/17146

Ukrainian military expert, Oleg Zhdanov, said that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have nothing to attack Kherson
“The Ukrainian army is suffering huge losses. There is a shortage of personnel, insufficiently mobilized, a shortage of military equipment.
https://twitter.com/SprinterMonitor/status/1585241881604403202
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Indeed, PRAY.


86 posted on 11/19/2022 6:08:23 AM PST by cranked
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To: kabar

Just FYI, you’re posting to a Polish person, not an American.


87 posted on 11/19/2022 6:10:07 AM PST by EEGator
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To: cranked
Keep linking to articles in August. HIMARS changed everything.

So why are russian troops retreating?

88 posted on 11/19/2022 6:10:26 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: cranked
"“The #Russians might just keep rolling their tanks right to #Berlin, as they did successfully before”

ROFLMAO!

The only reason that Russia was able to take as much of Ukraine as they did, is that everyone included Ukraine expected Russia would win.

But when Ukraine successfully stopped Russia at the battle of Kiev, they realized that Russia can be defeated.

The whole world sees that now. There is no way Russia could march to Berlin. They can't even advance in Ukraine any more.

And having seen how Russia treats civilians in conflict zones. There is not a country on earth that wouldn't fight Russia with everything they have, rather than let them roll over them.

In two months Russia will have to do another mobilization and another million Russian men will flee their country.

89 posted on 11/19/2022 6:11:14 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: tlozo

HIMARS has not changed squat!
Neither has them 2 NASAMS!
Neither has those rapidly being trashed M1777s!
Neither has them Javelins!
Neither has the German and French artillery!

Maybe them 1960s HAWKS we sending might be the next wonder weapons huh?


90 posted on 11/19/2022 6:12:24 AM PST by cranked
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To: cranked

So why is russia retreating?


91 posted on 11/19/2022 6:13:10 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: DannyTN

“In two months Russia will have to do another mobilization and another million Russian men will flee their country.”

How’s that current 100K Ukrainian mobilization, it’s 5th one!?


92 posted on 11/19/2022 6:13:53 AM PST by cranked
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To: Cronos

Lol. More keyboard warrior REMFs.


93 posted on 11/19/2022 6:14:37 AM PST by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: tlozo

Was she in love with the Ghost of Kyiv?

More BS propaganda.

What country are you a citizen of?


94 posted on 11/19/2022 6:15:19 AM PST by EEGator
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To: tlozo

Drag in and destroy.

Been working since April.

Furthermore, the ‘victories’ that Ukraine has allegedly had, have all come from Russian WITHDRAWALs and Ukraine occupying empty cities, towns, and open land.

Go figure, huh?


95 posted on 11/19/2022 6:15:47 AM PST by cranked
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To: EEGator
Was she in love with the Ghost of Kyiv? More BS propaganda. What country are you a citizen of?

Right, no husbands in Ukraine have been killed. Its all propaganda. Do you think before you type?

I answered one A__Hole already, proudly born and raised in the US.

96 posted on 11/19/2022 6:19:07 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: tlozo

You care more about Ukraine than the US by your postings.

You’re a sellout.

I am proud to be a capital A to you.


97 posted on 11/19/2022 6:21:37 AM PST by EEGator
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To: tlozo

Girl power. We should all run and hide.


98 posted on 11/19/2022 6:22:12 AM PST by BlackbirdSST (Trump WON!!! He will win 2024!)
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To: tlozo; cranked
Why is Russia retreating?

Might have to do with the difference between the way Russian conscripts are armed and the way Ukrainian soldiers are armed.

Russian conscript issued:

Ukraine soldier issued:

99 posted on 11/19/2022 6:22:13 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: canuck_conservative

I think Ukraine should start bombing part of Russia. Turn about is fair plan.


100 posted on 11/19/2022 6:23:27 AM PST by oldasrocks
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