Harvard-Harris poll, GOP 2024 Primary: Trump 46, DeSantis 28, Pence 7.

Real Clear Politics ^ | November 18, 2022

[zzeeman]

😂

[ConservativeMind]

Good to see you back here and in good spirits!

[VAFreedom]

desantis isn’t even running and he can pull that kind of number?

[central_va]

desantis isn’t even running and he can pull that kind of number?

Fake polls about non existent candidates. LOL.

[central_va]

Trump is running in '24. Desantis will get crushed if he tries to go against Trump.

I predict that you will be voting for Trump in Nov. ‘24.

Get used to the idea.

Where else are you going to go?

[Bruce Campbells Chin]

Pity that you had to ruin an otherwise interesting post with an insult. I enjoy a good conversation. And sometimes I even learn something! However, I try to steer away from posts that insult me either directly or indirectly. It’s not a snowflake thing. Instead, in my experience such posts usually lead to a dead end.

I don't think some of those guys understand that the tone they take actually turns people off from Trump himself. Or maybe they just don't care if he wins or not because it is more about validating their emotions than about winning actual elections.

[Bruce Campbells Chin]

in reality Trump is over 60%.

Based on what?

[Bruce Campbells Chin]

Polls? Most are run by liberals...

That's fair. At the same time, it seems anomalous for the same folks who deride these poll results to cite other poll results from weeks ago showing the numbers to be more pro-Trump. Either the polls are reliable, or they're not.

[Drew68]

All that matters is which conservative has the best chance to win the general election in 2024. So that’s where my focus will be. As of now, I think DeSantis has the best chance.

If Trump wins the primary, he will lose the general election.

If DeSantis wins the primary, he could win the general election but he won't because Trump will mount a third party run and cost both men the election. Mark my words.

It's a moot point because right now Trump has a lock on the nomination, and even more so if it turns out there's a bunch of "Not Trump" challengers.

So, we can kiss '24 good bye.

[Drew68]

I don't think some of those guys understand that the tone they take actually turns people off from Trump himself.

Sarah Palin's supporters did the same thing to me a decade ago.

They were so certain that she was going to run and earn the nomination in 2012 that they'd attack anyone who posted interest in any other candidate except her.

It got to the point where I couldn't stand Sarah Palin before I took a breath and realized, "It's not Palin. It's her fan club that drives me crazy!"

And in the end Palin never ran and we were saddled with loser Romney. All that hostility for nothing.

[Candor7]

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/trump-approval-rating-by-state

[Bruce Campbells Chin]

But why are those poll results - which are from April - more accurately reflective of current opinion than the newer polls?

Citing old poll results as proof that new poll results are wrong, (because polls aren't trustworthy), seems contradictory.

[Armscor38]

You’ll be gladly voting for DeSantis if he runs and wins the nomination. You’ll be here everyday encouraging others to do the same

[bert]

So long as the election fraudsters are allowed to continue living, there will be no Republican President.

[trebb]

Everyone will be trying to divide us over the two - I wager DeSantis will willingly stay in the background because he doesn’t want to be a spoiler - and his time will come on 2028.

If we opt to split ourselves, we may as well be a Mitch McConnell or Kevin McCarthy...

Why is our side so freaking stupid while the other side has the ability to coalesce into a single-purpose unit?

[Candor7]

not at all contradictory. Most current polls were executed as planned propaganda to try and split the GOP after the mid terms and Trumps announcement. That works only on the weak minded who are quick casualties in the battle for America.

Its actually quite humorous.

[Bruce Campbells Chin]

not at all contradictory. Most current polls were executed as planned propaganda to try and split the GOP after the mid terms and Trumps announcement. That works only on the weak minded who are quick casualties in the battle for America.

If you believe the pollsters are deliberately lying now just to hurt Trump, then why would they have reported higher numbers earlier? Because they liked him then and don't like him now?

Either a given polls/pollsters are reliable, or they're not. You're doing mind reading on pollsters without a shred of evidence other than your own theories. Why wouldn't they have just done the exact same planned propaganda right from the 2020 election? Just drop his numbers right from the start to hurt him even more.

[Bruce Campbells Chin]

Why is our side so freaking stupid while the other side has the ability to coalesce into a single-purpose unit?

Your premise that Democrats coalesced behind a single candidate before the primary is false. The Democrats had a contested primary in 2020 as well, and only coalesced behind their candidate after the winner of that contested primary was chosen.

So the trick isn't to have an uncontested primary. The trick is to have a contested primary, and not be so freaking stupid that we don't all coalesce behind whoever emerges as the winner.

The people you should be addressing are those who refuse to support any candidate in the general election but the singular one they prefer.

[V K Lee]

We see Pence inching upwards. LOL From sixpence up to 7.

[wiseprince]

Midterms made Trump look weak? Because he flipped the house? Because he won reelection in Florida and Because he won the Govenors office in Nevada? Trump holds the house of Representatives and has 48 Senate Seats. Trump won Ohio in a route. Trump won Florida by historic landslide numbers. Trump held onto Iowa and he expanded his numbers in New York. Again, it’s easy to surge when you’re just an idea to everyone. Trump is actually doing the work and fighting for the people. That’s what I call a true leader.