"Nice argument Denys, but why don't you back it up with a source?"
"My source is that I saw it on a Youtube comment."
Posted on 11/17/2022 3:25:38 AM PST by C19fan
Doubts have today been raised over whether a missile which hit Poland earlier this week really was a Ukrainian rocket gone haywire, with US and European officials calling for further investigation as President Zelensky continues to insist it was a Russian weapon.
Polish President Andrzej Duda and NATO leaders yesterday played down suspicions that Moscow was behind the S-300 missile which hit the town of Przewodow on Tuesday, killing two, insisting it was 'highly probable' that it had come from Kyiv's forces – meaning the allies will not respond militarily, which could have sparked WW3.
But President Zelensky yesterday insisted that he has 'no doubt that it was not our missile' based on military intelligence, and accused Ukraine's Western allies of blocking his investigators from inspecting the crash site or being part of the probe into exactly what had happened.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
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Over the course of a confusing 48 hours, the EU announced it had brokered an arrangement for member states to allow Ukrainian pilots to start flying their used Russian fighter planes, only to have those countries deny there was any such deal even as Kyiv trumpeted the impending arrival of the jets.
The dissolution of the deal comes as European countries lined up Monday to announce new weapons packages for Ukraine, from anti-armor and anti-air rockets to artillery and medical supplies.
But the announcement Sunday by EU security chief Josep Borrell that fighter jets were also on their way appeared to be a game-changer for European military assistance. Borrell was forced to walk his pronouncement back somewhat by Monday, acknowledging that any transfers wouldn’t come from the EU itself, but would instead be donated “bilaterally” by individual EU countries.
Soon after, a Ukrainian government official told POLITICO their country had sent pilots to Poland to pick up the jets and the Ukrainian parliament announced that the planes from Slovakia, Bulgaria and Poland would soon be on their way. But by Tuesday, Bulgaria and Slovakia said there was no deal to send fighters, and the Polish president, appearing at a Polish air base alongside NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg, said no planes would be flying any time soon.
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“The idiot Russian orc programmed in the latitude of Kyiv, Ukraine, but the longitude of Lviv, Ukraine.”
You are correct!”
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You guys and your alternate universe with your imagined and deeply wished for alternate reality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq0XSX8j7gs
Then why were the Ukrainians dropping their choppers at such an alarming rate due to poor maintenance during the UNTAC mission the UN finally grounded them and brought in Canadian Bells? I’m not convinced the Ukrainians ever flew entirely sober, either. And they did really stupid stuff, too, like dunk a Mi17 in the bay while trying to copy the cool way the French Pumas took off — a maneuver those old Mi-17s were not capable of performing.
Sorry, I visited Russian garrisons and saw for myself demoralized soldiers painting the rotten tires of their vehicles black before some bigwig was due to arrive. As you can imagine, these soldiers were not amused. Granted, this was over 20 years ago when the Russian army was perhaps at its lowest point. I somehow doubt the Ukrainians’ old Soviet junk is in better shape now than it was then, though.
“The idiot Russian orc programmed in the latitude of Kyiv, Ukraine, but the longitude of Lviv, Ukraine.”
Can’t blame him. He is probably just one of the Russian mobilization troop
But it does answer the interesting question: why Russia agreed to a declaration condemning its own war in Ukraine?
DW News
Nov 16, 2022 5:30 p.m. EST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT4qkkvIScs
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"Nice argument Denys, but why don't you back it up with a source?"
"My source is that I saw it on a Youtube comment."
Of course the Ukrainians want NATO involved. And will try just about any trick in the book to suck in NATO. That’s a given. As for this incident, was it deliberately aimed at Poland or was it an oopsie the Ukrainians tried to turn to their advantage? Either is possible, as far as I can see.
You already got an answer to this earlier in this very thread. Russia didn't condemn its own military action, per the very wording of that same declaration.
Why are you still asking a question that you now KNOW has a false premise?
The missile blast in Poland also sparked concern at the G20 summit in Bali, Indonesia. The leaders gathered there urged a thorough investigation into the incident.
The group of 20 leading economies ended their summit on Wednesday with a joint declaration saying that most members strongly condemned the war in Ukraine. They also warned that the conflict was making an already delicate world economy worse. The declaration was adopted UNANIMOUSLY [meaning that Russia also signed off on it.]
Russia's national position in the UN referenda that were cited was against the the majority position that condemned them. It explicitly says that they reiterated their national positions from the same (wherein Russia, naturally, voted against condemning their own actions).
A declaration unanimously recognizing this — that everyone's national positions from said UN resolutions are unchanged — is tantamount to Russia condemning its own military actions?
Come on.
“ They’re just repeating a claim being spread by the Ukrainian partisan Denys Davydov:…”
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Yes, he’s the Ukrainian propagandist who is the favorite propagandist of Reverend Mother. She lives to spread his daily propaganda after first demanding prayers for Ukraine — a country that God sides with, don’t cha know.
20 years ago is another era.
Yes, but do you seriously think an old S300 manufactured in the 1970s is in tippy top shape? Have you read the NATO reports on the state of the Ukrainian military from the past five years before this war started? Not exactly flattering. And can you guarantee the Ukrainian who fired it was sober?
The facts on the ground tell that they are more able than originally thought. That’s my mostly due to a mass of meat they are willing to sacrifice but the old Soviet stocks have their effect as well.
The old Soviet stuff doesn’t work as well as they’d like, or they would not be landing in their own cities after failed intercepts. Occam’s razor. A Ukrainian (drunk, desperate or stupid) tried to shoot down a Russian missile after it had already passed (hence the “wrong” direction) and the old piece of junk failed to self-destruct after missing its intended target and ended up in a Polish potato field.
The Polish president said it was manufactured in Russia in the 1970s. If correct, that would make it the earliest version of the S300 before its little problems were fixed in newer versions. It was a creaky old thing that could not hit low altitude targets.
If the Ukrainians truly wanted to spark off WWIII by firing into Poland, why a silly little potato field?
Okay, it still works better than Patriot though.
Ukrainian officials have said that the country’s military shot down more than 70 of the 100 rockets that Russia fired on Tuesday, Bloomberg reported.
Zelensky said Ukrainian investigators are traveling to the site in Poland, and Polish officials have said they will present their evidence to the Ukrainian government.
NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg also said the blast appeared to come from a Ukrainian rocket, but he blamed Russia for starting the conflict originally and causing a situation like this to occur. “This is not Ukraine’s fault; Russia bears ultimate responsibility,” he said. “The whole incident is caused by Russia’s brutal war in Ukraine.”
The Bali G20 Summit Leaders’ Declaration document has also been uploaded and shared to the media. The 1,186-page document contains 52 points of the G20 leaders’ declaration in the last two-day meeting.
The G20 Summit in Bali, Indonesia on November 15 to 16, 2022, has ended and result a declaration text from the leaders’ countries. The declaration text contains the affirmation of three main elements,
1- such as various global economic problems,
2- global health, and
3- digital transformation.
The Bali G20 Summit Leaders’ Declaration document has also been uploaded and shared to the media. The 1,186-page document contains 52 points of the G20 leaders’ declaration in the last two-day meeting.
“This year, we have also witnessed the war in Ukraine further adversely impact the global economy. There was a discussion on the issue. We reiterated our national positions as expressed in other fora, including the UN Security Council and the UN General Assembly, which, in its Resolution No. ES-11/1 dated 2 March 2022, as adopted by majority vote (141 votes for, 5 against, 35 abstentions, 12 absent)
DEPLORES IN THE STRONGEST TERMS THE AGGRESSION BY THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION AGAINST UKRAINE AND DEMANDS ITS COMPLETE AND UNCONDITIONAL WITHDRAWAL FROM THE TERRITORY OF UKRAINE.
List of G20 Bali Leaders’ Declaration Results:
VIVA.co.id, 16 November 2022 - 18:25 WIB
Article : https://www.viva.co.id/english/1544778-complete-list-of-g20-bali-leaders-rsquo-declaration-result
One of the top three fabulists from The Daily Smell.
That will not change, no matter how much you wish it were otherwise so.
Lol! Although it wasn’t funny in 1991. I remember that. Stinking scud killed a bunch of our guys :(
Yes.
Ukraine is a country that unashamedly honors & prays to God.
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