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Is NATO hiding the truth behind Poland missile strike to avoid WW3? As Zelensky insists it WAS a Russian rocket, US and European officials also cast doubt over suggestion it was a Ukrainian weapon
UK Daily Mail ^ | November 17, 2022 | Chris Pleasance

Posted on 11/17/2022 3:25:38 AM PST by C19fan

Doubts have today been raised over whether a missile which hit Poland earlier this week really was a Ukrainian rocket gone haywire, with US and European officials calling for further investigation as President Zelensky continues to insist it was a Russian weapon.

Polish President Andrzej Duda and NATO leaders yesterday played down suspicions that Moscow was behind the S-300 missile which hit the town of Przewodow on Tuesday, killing two, insisting it was 'highly probable' that it had come from Kyiv's forces – meaning the allies will not respond militarily, which could have sparked WW3.

But President Zelensky yesterday insisted that he has 'no doubt that it was not our missile' based on military intelligence, and accused Ukraine's Western allies of blocking his investigators from inspecting the crash site or being part of the probe into exactly what had happened.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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To: Always A Marine

Question: Is it possible the charge went off before it crashed in Poland? I honestly don’t know.


81 posted on 11/17/2022 7:08:17 AM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: Always A Marine

The version of malfunction is unlikely. They hit residential buildings in Kiev because of use in urban area contrary to the manuals.
It is still controlled by the command channel, meaning the idea that it was fired against the targets flying from southeast but hit the farm in the northwest is quite fantastic.


82 posted on 11/17/2022 7:15:57 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: CatHerd

No.


83 posted on 11/17/2022 7:16:35 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

Thank you.


84 posted on 11/17/2022 7:17:10 AM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: cranked
You know by now anything Zelensky says U.S. Officials including Biden and Soros worshipers will echo. And vice versa.
85 posted on 11/17/2022 7:24:01 AM PST by sport
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To: C19fan

It’s a SAM with a 150km engagement range which means if it misses and does not self destruct it can go a lot farther. All the Sam’s and AAA that goes up has to come down somewhere.


86 posted on 11/17/2022 7:27:48 AM PST by bravo whiskey (Annie Savoy : The world is made for people who aren't cursed with self awareness. )
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To: NorseViking; Always A Marine

I’m not ready to rule out stupidity. This idiot guy used to set up his AA gun in my backyard every Tuesday evening. And every week, in the wee hours, this creaky old Gazelle running arms to another warring party would fly over and he would wait until it was directly overhead to shoot at it. Of course he never managed to hit it (or I might not be here to tell the tale).

I am obviously not military, but after awhile it really started bugging me — was that Gazelle going to fall on my house this time or not? One night I woke up to this farce and had this terrible urge to run out there in my nightgown, kick the fool guy out, and shoot down the thing myself before it got over my house. Of course I didn’t.

I often wondered whether it was all just a game, or whether he was just that stupid or drunk. It could even have been all three!


87 posted on 11/17/2022 7:37:50 AM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: CatHerd

Regarding stupidity, one normally needs a master’s degree to operate these things.


88 posted on 11/17/2022 7:47:44 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: bravo whiskey

The question is why it flew to Poland when the targets are in the opposite direction. Regarding s-300, the operator has a high degree of control. You can self-destructbit manually.


89 posted on 11/17/2022 7:49:36 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

I somehow doubt every Ukrainian firing old Soviet junk has a master’s in rocket science. And even if whoever fired it did, let’s not forget drunk. There’s plenty of that going around those parts.


90 posted on 11/17/2022 8:14:52 AM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: CatHerd

I assure you that to put the missile to target requires a great deal of conscious operations a stranger won’t be able to do. That’s going to be the whole different sequence of actions to fire it towards Poland or at the missile incoming from another direction.


91 posted on 11/17/2022 8:20:54 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

I’m wondering when Zelensky is going to have to learn the lesson of Izetbegovic.

Explanation for those who do not remember:

We sabotaged the Lisbon Agreement in 1992, when NATO’s raison d’être was beginning to be questioned following the downfall and breakup of the old USSR. No way were we going to give up one of our fave levers of power:


“On 18 March 1992, all three sides signed the agreement; Alija Izetbegović for the Bosniaks, Radovan Karadžić for the Bosnian Serbs and Mate Boban for the Bosnian Croats. On 28 March 1992, after a meeting with US ambassador to Yugoslavia Warren Zimmermann in Sarajevo, Izetbegović withdrew his signature and declared his opposition to any division of Bosnia. What was said and by whom remains unclear. Warren Zimmermann denied that he told Izetbegović that if he withdrew his signature, the United States would grant recognition to Bosnia as an independent state. What is indisputable is that on the same day Izetbegović withdrew his signature and renounced the agreement.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_plans_proposed_before_and_during_the_Bosnian_War#Carrington%E2%80%93Cutileiro_plan

Under Clinton’s Dayton Accords of 1995, the Bosnian Muslims got slightly *less* territory than under Lisbon. There had been a few other peace plans floated between Lisbon and Dayton, but the US always objected the Bosnian Muslims did not get enough map. I’ll never forget the look on Izetbegovic’s face at Dayton. All that death and destruction, only to end up with less. But we proved our point: only the Americans are allowed to make (or break) peace, and NATO is a “necessary” enforcer.

Anyway, however this turns out, Ukraine would have been better off with Minsk II. Too bad we didn’t want Minsk.


92 posted on 11/17/2022 8:31:04 AM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: House Atreides; All

“I seem to recall YOU rapidly bringing up Article 5 in answer to this “RUSSIAN ATTACK” (LOL)”

Recall more! I brought up both Article 4 & 5.
I think I was the first to bring up Article #4 (ROFL)

“POLAND CONSIDERS INVOLKING NATO ARTICLE 4 AFTER REPORTS OF MISSLES LANDING IN ITS TERRITORY”

By Tim Lister, Tara John, Antonia Mortensen, Anna Chernova and Emmet Lyons,
November 15, 2022 6:30 p.m.EST

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/15/europe/poland-missile-rocket-nato-przewodow-ukraine-intl/index.html)


93 posted on 11/17/2022 8:38:52 AM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com (Pray for God's interventio n to stop Putin's invasion, )
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Are they finally planning to invoke it against Ukraine?


94 posted on 11/17/2022 8:41:54 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

Okay, if you insist. But what about drunk? Lots drunken soldiers thereabouts. Again, could have been deliberate, with or without orders from higher up. I’m just not ready to call it either way.

That old Soviet junk is pretty unreliable, anyway. I remember back in the late 1990s, seeing for myself the sorry state of the Russian army (it was painfully pathetic at the time), all I could think was “And we used to be so scared of the Red Army?” Regarding their rockets and missiles, a Russian officer wryly remarked, “Mostly, they do not work.”


95 posted on 11/17/2022 8:43:53 AM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: nagant

“The idiot Russian orc programmed in the latitude of Kyiv, Ukraine, but the longitude of Lviv, Ukraine.”

You are correct!


96 posted on 11/17/2022 8:44:00 AM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com (Pray for God's interventio n to stop Putin's invasion, )
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To: C19fan

Zman bombs Poland, NEOCONS deeply saddened.


97 posted on 11/17/2022 8:45:32 AM PST by csvset (tolerance becomes a crime when attached to evil)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com; nagant; Always A Marine

There’s this wee problem. Range. Those old pieces of Soviet junk have a range of 120km. See post #79:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4109794/posts?page=79#79


98 posted on 11/17/2022 8:48:08 AM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: bravo whiskey

“It’s a SAM with a 150km engagement range which means if it misses and does not self destruct it can go a lot farther. All the Sam’s and AAA that goes up has to come down somewhere.”

Thank you for your comment.


99 posted on 11/17/2022 8:57:34 AM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com (Pray for God's interventio n to stop Putin's invasion, )
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To: CatHerd

As a matter of fact, you can drive away in most of the Soviet tanks sitting on static display since 1945.
In order to fly a Mi-24 helicopter sitting a couple years without maintenance you only need to pour water into batteries.


100 posted on 11/17/2022 8:57:59 AM PST by NorseViking
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