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US forces now on the ground in Ukraine
American Military News ^ | 11/1/22 | Ryan Morgan

Posted on 11/02/2022 6:48:14 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal

U.S. military personnel are now on the ground in Ukraine, keeping track of and inspecting weapons the U.S. has shipped to Ukrainian forces, a senior defense official announced during a Pentagon background briefing on Monday. These U.S. personnel are some of the first the Pentagon has acknowledged have entered Ukraine since Russia launched its large scale invasion of the country in February.

The senior defense official who spoke on background during an official Pentagon event, said, “U.S. personnel have recently resumed on-site inspections to assess weapon stocks in country whenever and wherever the security conditions allow.” The official said “the return of our defense attaché and Office of Defense Cooperation personnel in country has allowed us to resume this critical function.”

The U.S. Defense attaché for Ukraine is U.S. Army Brig. Gen. Garrick Harmon.

The Biden administration ordered U.S. troops out of Ukraine in February just days before Russia launched its invasion. The Associated Press reported the administration did return some troops to provide security at the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv earlier this year.

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To: Pollard

“They didn’t buy anything but a few politicians.”

I posit it’s more than just a few. Funny how these guys/gals get into office and are millionaires within a few short years.


81 posted on 11/03/2022 6:44:24 AM PDT by LastDayz (A blunt and brazen Texan. I will not be assimilated.)
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To: LastDayz
I posit it’s more than just a few. Funny how these guys/gals get into office and are millionaires within a few short years.

Proof we are now a socialist country.

Capitalism - The Rich Become Powerful
Socialism - The Powerful Become Rich

82 posted on 11/03/2022 6:46:10 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Apparently you don't understand how people in America use quotation marks to indicate they are repeating what someone else said. The statements in my post from 2019 are quoted, because they are something somebody else said that I was commenting on.

You really didn't think that through did you?

83 posted on 11/03/2022 7:54:49 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Kazan
Do you agree that CBS reports of atrocities by Russian troops in Bucha are correct?

I asked a simple question which you won't directly answer.

But thanks for telling us that for you CBS is a reliable source when it agrees with Russian talking points, and publishes "lies" whenever it does not agree with Russian talking points.

That sounds like pretty solid evidence that you are just a Russian propaganda poster.

84 posted on 11/03/2022 7:57:42 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing

You quoted the original article first, then amended it to get at what you REALLY thought it should have meant.

Context is key, you see.


85 posted on 11/03/2022 8:01:39 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: cranked

The purpose of bringing up forces on the ground now to verify use of US weapons is because forces on the ground are probably being killed and they need a reason why. The dead US military have families that mourn and talk.


86 posted on 11/03/2022 8:05:07 AM PDT by dforest ( )
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To: freeandfreezing
CBS told the truth and then pulled the story. That it pulled story is how we know it was true.

Let someone infinitely wiser about these things -- former CIA analyst, Larry Johnson, explain it to you:

https://sonar21.com/when-a-story-breaks-always-ask-why-now/

If General Harmon’s primary mission is auditing the disposition of U.S. weapons supplied to Ukraine, this is a tacit admission that the original CBS story on diverted weapons was accurate and the United States is trying to get the worms back into the can.

87 posted on 11/03/2022 9:41:44 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Context is key, you see.

And you completely missed the "context"

I wrote:

That is of course an entirely made up opinion. It is just as likely that it was...

So the context is entirely made up opinions.

So what evidence do you have that Ukraine is a corrupt nation? If your evidence is a copy of a statement from a CNN article put forward as an example of an entirely made up opinion then you don't have any evidence at all.

88 posted on 11/03/2022 9:43:05 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Kazan
sonar21.com

The favorite web source for the Russian propaganda crew.

"He is best known for spreading a hoax in 2008 that Republican operatives had a videotape of Michelle Obama complaining about "whitey"."

Sounds like an unreliable source to me, a deep state CIA guy who posts false information.

Aren't CIA guys posting about Ukraine supposed to be unreliable sources?

89 posted on 11/03/2022 9:47:52 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing
"So the context is entirely made up opinions."

Those are very unusual 'made up opinions' to come up with, then. Why oh why would you even come up with such outlandish ideas? (Seriously though, anyone with a brain can see why you chose those particular examples, given the political context at the time.)

But beyond overall sentiment on FR during Trump's presidency that I can recall, evidence is easy to find through a casual Internet stroll.

For example, the accounting firm Ernst & Young (in both 2012 and 2018) released a poll regarding perceptions of corruption from financial executives, auditing firms, and legal counsels for 55 countries. Ukraine ranked in the top 10 in both years.

The Ukrainian Week, in 2013, reported about public perceptions of corruption as being endemic in their society.

In 2018, the Kyiv Post reported about corrupt candidates being nominated to Ukraine's new "High Anti-Corruption Court." Even as recently as June 2022, the Kyiv Independent reported on Ukraine's judicial "Ethics Council" for nominating tainted candidates.

The Pandora Papers.

And so on and so forth, whether it be pre-Maidan or post-Maidan.

I get that geopolitical winds have changed, and now you believe supporting Ukraine is warranted if it means cutting Russia off at the knees. I get that.

But you don't have to pretend that Ukraine's corruption went away to do it.

90 posted on 11/03/2022 10:15:03 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: sport

Hey Sport, I figured as much weeks ago.

Get ready, as much as possible. No flood, just fire.

Maybe God will save his world, maybe not. We are getting very close to finding out.


91 posted on 11/03/2022 10:49:00 AM PDT by katie didit
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

In terms of sources, and detection of bias, can you tell me if Ukrainian Week, Kyiv Post, and the Kyiv Independent are accurate, unbiased sources of information about what is happening in Ukraine?


92 posted on 11/03/2022 3:48:28 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Much of the corruption in Ukraine resulted from the importation of Russian corruption.

"But it’s more than that: Putin’s aggression may also be aimed at legitimizing his rule at home by installing a new state-sponsored oligarchy in Ukraine. He may be seeking to kill the idea, which took hold in Ukraine during the 2014 Revolution of Dignity at the Maidan. The Maidan Revolution started when Ukrainians took to the streets of the Maidan in central Kyiv to protest then-President Victor Yanukovych’s sudden decision to reverse the nation’s course to join the European Union and engage in free trade with the world’s largest economic bloc. But the Maidan Revolution was not just about one decision or one administration. The Maidan uprising was a revolution against the system of corrupt rule of Yanukovych and the oligarch class that was choking the nation’s potential—and it was also about the idea: the idea that every individual should have the freedom, the right, and the path to fulfill their human potential. This idea fundamentally threatens Putin’s personal authority and autocratic rule. As Ukraine’s reformers have begun to take concrete steps to embed this idea in independent institutions, they set an example for Russian citizens, who may be inspired by Ukraine’s example to demand that their government suppress official corruption and respect for human rights."

Source GAB The Global Anticorruption Blog

93 posted on 11/03/2022 3:55:31 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing
You cite a guest blog post by Matthew Murray:

From 2012 – January 2017, Mr. Murray served the Obama Administration as a Senior Advisor on Governance and Rule of Law, and as Deputy Assistant Secretary for Europe, the Middle East, and Africa at the U.S. Department of Commerce.

Currently, Mr. Murray is serving as the Chair of the Independent Joint Anti-Corruption Monitoring and Evaluation Committee of Afghanistan, an agency created to monitor and evaluate the anti-corruption efforts of the Afghan government.

His work in the field of political economy includes writing, teaching and speeches on the importance of voluntarily adopting best practices of ethics, corporate governance, and social responsibility. At the Brookings Institution, he helped launch the World Forum on Governance and has co-written a research paper, Freedom from Official Corruption as a Human Right, published in 2015.

Mr. Murray appears on CNN as a guest expert on Foreign Policy issues.

You don't get to criticize people for resorting to CNN and CBS sources when you're more than willing to cite a Brookings Institute (whose reputation on FR is rather notorious), Obama Admin holdover that CNN likes to call on, just because he agrees with your line of thinking.

94 posted on 11/03/2022 4:28:11 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: freeandfreezing
I referred to those sources because if I referenced the Guardian, NBC, the Washington Post, the New York Times, NPR, the BBC, and so forth, you'd likely resort to the line that I only used "mainstream media sources", as you've done elsewhere on this thread.

Ukraine's corruption is something well known, reported by the left, right, and middle.

CATO Institute: Whitewashing Ukraine’s Corruption

Eurasianet: A brief history of corruption in Ukraine: the Poroshenko Era

Eurasianet: A brief history of corruption in Ukraine: the dawn of the Zelensky era (From 2020, well before the current troubles.)

You could say that Ukraine's reputation in this regard is somewhat notorious.

95 posted on 11/03/2022 4:41:40 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
You don't get to criticize people for resorting to CNN and CBS sources..

I don't rely on any particular source. But I do often point out the hypocrisy of pro-Russian propaganda posters who cite CBS or CNN when it supports their position, but deny any information from those sources that does not support their position.

Do you think that the pro-Russian administrations in Ukraine were corrupt? How about Russia itself? Any corruption there?

96 posted on 11/03/2022 6:32:32 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing

My position is (and has been) that both countries are sufficiently corrupt that neither one deserves our aid, and that it’s not in America’s national interest to support one side over the other.


97 posted on 11/03/2022 7:02:42 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: Nifster

PLEASE!! Joe Biden is a foreign policy expert. Everyone knows that


98 posted on 11/04/2022 5:40:16 AM PDT by newbie 10-21-00
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
My position is (and has been) that both countries are sufficiently corrupt that neither one deserves our aid...

I think that is just a rationalization for staying away from the conflict. I doubt you would apply that same kind of thinking to any other situation where one party was attacking another.

If you saw some kid getting attacked in the parking lot of a Walmart would your response depend on whether or not you thought there might be some corrupt people living in that town?

Even if there are many corrupt Ukrainian politicians and rich businessmen, that doesn't justify ignoring an attack against everyone in the society, including innocent children and others who have nothing to do with any corruption.

99 posted on 11/04/2022 10:54:50 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing

“If you saw some kid getting attacked in the parking lot of a Walmart would your response depend on whether or not you thought there might be some corrupt people living in that town?”

The fact you think this is an equivocal metaphor for yet another ethnic feud between Slavs is simply ludicrous.


100 posted on 11/04/2022 2:29:24 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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