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Russia’s elite begins to ponder a Putinless future: Once unthinkable, the president’s removal can at least be contemplated
https://www.economist.com/europe/ ^ | Oct 26th 2022

Posted on 10/30/2022 2:49:26 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com

“WHAT IS NEXT? Is there life after Putin? How does he go and who replaces him?” Such are the questions that weigh heavily these days on the minds of the Russian elite, its bureaucrats and businessmen, as they observe the Ukrainian army advancing, talented people fleeing Russia and the West refusing to back down in the face of Vladimir Putin’s energy and nuclear blackmail. “There is a lot of swearing and angry talk in Moscow restaurants and kitchens,” one member of the elite says. “Everyone has realized that Putin has blundered and is losing.”

This does not mean that Mr Putin is about to bow out, be overthrown or fire a nuclear weapon. It does mean that those who run the country and own assets there are losing confidence in their president. Russia’s political system appears to be entering the most turbulent period of its post-Soviet history. Western governments, too, are starting to worry that Russia could become ungovernable.

“Never before has Vladimir Putin been in such a situation in the 23 years of his rule,” says Kirill Rogov, a Russian political analyst. In the past, when confronted by difficult situations such as the loss of the submarine Kursk and its 118 crew members in 2000, or an appalling school siege in 2004 that ended with the deaths of 333 people, he managed to deflect responsibility and retain his image as a strong leader. “Now he is planning and executing operations that are visibly failing.”

The invasion of Ukraine on February 24th was a shock to the Russian establishment, which had persuaded itself that Mr Putin would not risk full-scale war. But the mixture of his initial, if limited, military advances, the absence of an economic collapse in Russia, and early attempts at peace negotiations calmed nerves. (Heavy drinking may also have helped; it became so acute that Mr Putin started to complain in public about alcoholism.) Some members of the elite even, for a while, persuaded themselves that Mr Putin could not lose.

This view has been shattered by Mr Putin’s “partial” mobilisation. It showed that his “special military operation” was faltering; and, by drafting more troops, he was seen to be dragging the country deeper into the conflict. And as a mass exodus and extensive draft-dodging have shown, his attempt to turn his venture into a new “Great Patriotic War” has so far failed. The mobilisation has broken the basic premise of the public’s acquiescence to the war: that it would not demand its active participation. In Moscow, Russia’s richest city, where men were being press-ganged in the streets, the mayor, Sergei Sobyanin, felt compelled on October 17th to announce that conscription was over. Other regions, with less lobbying power, will have to make up the shortfall.

Mr Putin cannot win his war, for from the very start it had no clear goals; and, having lost so much, he cannot end it without being deeply humiliated. Even if the fighting in Ukraine were to cease, a return to peaceful pre-war life is all but impossible under his belligerent presidency. Meanwhile, the economy is starting to show the effects of sanctions and of the exodus of the most skilled and educated members of the workforce; consumer confidence is on the slide.

A ceremony on September 30th, in which, after a ranting speech against the West, Mr Putin annexed four provinces in Ukraine that he does not actually control, was so absurd that it probably undermined his aura of strength even within Russia. As Tatyana Stanovaya, a political consultant, puts it: “Until September, the Russian elites had made the pragmatic choice to support Putin…but matters have progressed so far that they may now have to choose among various losing scenarios.”

A military defeat might well lead to the collapse of the regime, with all the associated risks for those who have supported it. Mr Putin’s bellicosity meanwhile “raises the question of whether the Russian elites are prepared to stick with Putin until the bitter end, particularly amid growing threats to use nuclear weapons,” Ms Stanovaya notes. Mr Putin has gone from being a perceived source of stability to one of instability, and danger. This week Ksenia Sobchak, reputed to be Mr Putin’s god-daughter, fled ahead of arrest, a sign that the elite is now devouring its own.

Abbas Galyamov, a political analyst who has spent time in the Kremlin, argues that in the next few weeks and months the elite, whose members have always trusted Mr Putin’s ability to preserve his regime (and them), will realise that it is up to them to save it and even their own lives. This, he says, will intensify the search for a possible successor within the system.

Mr Galyamov’s list of potential candidates includes Dmitry Patrushev, the son of Nikolai Patrushev, who is the head of the Security Council and one of the chief ideologues of the regime. Mr Patrushev junior is a former minister. Though part of the family, he could be seen as a fresh face because of his youth. More familiar possibilities include Sergei Kiriyenko, the deputy chief of staff at the Kremlin; Mr Sobyanin, the mayor of Moscow; and Mikhail Mishustin, the prime minister, who could make an alliance with some of the security men and play the role of a moderate negotiator with the West.

Yet, as Alexei Navalny, Russia’s jailed opposition leader, argued recently in the Washington Post, the hope that “Mr Putin’s replacement by another member of his elite will fundamentally change this view on war, and especially war over the ‘legacy of the USSR’, is naive at the very least.” The only way to stop the endless cycle of imperial nationalism, Mr Navalny argued, is for Russia to decentralise power and turn itself into a parliamentary republic. In what looked like an appeal to the Russian elite, Mr Navalny argued that parliamentary democracy is also a rational and desirable choice for many of the political factions around Mr Putin. “It gives them an opportunity to maintain influence and fight for power while ensuring that they are not destroyed by a more aggressive group.”

This “more aggressive group” has already started to emerge. It includes Yevgeny Prigozhin, a former criminal known as “Putin’s chef”, who runs a group of mercenaries called the Wagner group, and Ramzan Kadyrov, the strongman of Chechnya, who has his own private army. Both men are seen as personally loyal to Mr Putin. Ekaterina Schulmann, a political scientist, has likened Mr Prigozhin’s men to oprichniki—a corps of bodyguards established by Ivan the Terrible—who have plunged the country into chaos. Russia’s dictator wants to turn Ukraine into a failed state. Instead, he is fast turning Russia into one. ■


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1 posted on 10/30/2022 2:49:26 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

“Russia’s elite begins to ponder a Putinless future: Once unthinkable, the president’s removal can at least be contemplated”

Sounds good to me. With Putin out, the West will be put in their place FAR SOONER, and if it takes a nuclear exchange, then so be it.


2 posted on 10/30/2022 2:51:33 PM PDT by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Estonia: 37 degrees)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Even if Putin was removed, his replacement would be worse and less predictable.

Could this all get any worse for mankind.

Notice that’s a rhetorical statement and not a question.

Negotiate peace.


3 posted on 10/30/2022 2:54:26 PM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
An interesting viewpoint.

Russian transfers of power tend to be dark and bloody...

4 posted on 10/30/2022 2:55:09 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

More ‘wet dream’ propaganda of many months worth of spewed ‘the end of Putin’ propaganda peddled within FR, much in the same grouped and spewed propaganda that had Putin was dying from a multitude of diseases, cancer, etc., etc., etc., the endless propaganda articles about how Russia was running out of missiles, drones, etc.......and I could go on.

Just add another one to the list.


5 posted on 10/30/2022 2:57:28 PM PDT by cranked
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Well, well, well… yet another post from the ‘LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GERIATRIC WARMONGERS’ lobby. This time the Reverend Mother is advancing the leftist Economist’s daydreams.


6 posted on 10/30/2022 3:01:55 PM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA-PRO-MAX)
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To: All

Just put Victoria Nuland in charge, it’s the only thing that will make NeoCons happy


7 posted on 10/30/2022 3:03:42 PM PDT by escapefromboston (Free Chauvin)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

If we only get rid of the Shah of Iran, things will be better.
If we only get rid of Gaddafi, things will be better.
If we only get rid of Saddam, things will be better.
If we only get rid of Trump, things will be better.

These things never work as planned.


8 posted on 10/30/2022 3:04:09 PM PDT by Flick Lives (Cui bono)
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To: BobL

You hate America an awful lot, don’t you tovarisch?


9 posted on 10/30/2022 3:06:19 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Hopefully someone in Moscow will soon put an end to Putin’s madness.


10 posted on 10/30/2022 3:07:51 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

11 posted on 10/30/2022 3:09:36 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: McGruff

😉😂🎃


12 posted on 10/30/2022 3:14:07 PM PDT by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal! )
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To: escapefromboston

“Just put Victoria Nuland in charge, it’s the only thing that will make NeoCons happy”

These toothless warmongering dopes are so wrong they’re going to die of embarrassment before long.

Ukraine. Military Summary And Analysis 30.10.2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-IIdpegc_Y

(if you thing Ukraine is winning...do not look)


13 posted on 10/30/2022 3:16:22 PM PDT by Chunga85 (An arrogant govt combined with an ignorant population is a recipe for disaster.)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
I love folks who unwittingly adhere to the Wolfowitz Doctrine for global domination and the use of American muscle to attempt to displace and subvert major nuclear powers.

We are living a deepstate neocon mutual suicide pact written in 1992 and almost no one knows it except the globalist neocon madmen who invented it.

14 posted on 10/30/2022 3:16:32 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Chunga85

PS my post #14 and it’s link. The neocons have been executing a long con to bring us a nuclear holocaust.


15 posted on 10/30/2022 3:18:17 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: MeganC

“You hate America an awful lot, don’t you tovarisch?”

Do we not all hate Biden and the path he’s taking the US? If not, why not?


16 posted on 10/30/2022 3:18:47 PM PDT by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Estonia: 37 degrees)
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To: BobL

Putin is on his own created path of self-destruction.
However, he should not be allowed to take Russia & Ukraine with him.


17 posted on 10/30/2022 3:26:41 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (Pray for God's intervention to stop Putin's invasion, )
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To: AndyJackson

There’s something funny about Zelensky getting Wolfowitzed.


18 posted on 10/30/2022 3:31:16 PM PDT by Chunga85 (An arrogant govt combined with an ignorant population is a recipe for disaster.)
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To: BobL

You want Russia to nuke us. I don’t care what your reasoning is, you’re detestable.


19 posted on 10/30/2022 3:35:17 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: MeganC

“You want Russia to nuke us.”

When did I say that? Please see your therapist.


20 posted on 10/30/2022 3:37:10 PM PDT by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Estonia: 37 degrees)
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