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War and Regrets in Ukraine
The American Conservative ^ | Oct 19,2022 | Douglas Macgregor

Posted on 10/29/2022 12:25:50 PM PDT by Vlad0

Of the Vietnam War, Henry Kissinger, former national security advisor and secretary of State under Presidents Nixon and Ford, said, “We should never have been there.” Before long, Americans, even the politicians inside the Beltway, will reach the same conclusion about Washington’s Ukrainian proxy war against Russia.

No one in the White House, the Senate, or the House consciously set out to turn the proxy Ukrainian war with Moscow into a contest of “competitive societal collapse” between Russia and NATO. But here we are. No one imagined that the Biden administration and the bipartisan war party would drive Americans and Europeans into a political, military, and economic valley of death, from which there is no easy escape. Yet that is precisely what is happening.

For the moment, Washington remains blind to these developments. Whether in print, radio, television, or online, the narrative is clear: despite horrific losses—at least 400,000 Ukrainian battlefield casualties including 100,000 soldiers killed in action—Ukrainian forces are winning. Moreover, the narrative says, America’s financial and economic dominance will ultimately overwhelm the deceptively weak Russian economy.

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A thoughtful article for those who are still able to think about this topic. (Obviously, many here are not interested in any further analysis, just more war.)

Read the whole thing at:

The American Conservative

1 posted on 10/29/2022 12:25:50 PM PDT by Vlad0
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2 posted on 10/29/2022 12:28:21 PM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Vlad0

Bump for later read.


3 posted on 10/29/2022 12:34:52 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: Travis McGee
No one in the White House, the Senate etc,

I beg to disagree. There are bunches that favor and relish war. They don't have to fight it. They only profit from it.

4 posted on 10/29/2022 12:35:16 PM PDT by Don Corleone (leave the gun, take the canolis)
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To: Vlad0
Yeah, if the US and NATO just give Comrade Putin everything he wants, then the evil man will go away.


5 posted on 10/29/2022 12:42:26 PM PDT by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: Timber Rattler
Yeah, if the US and NATO just give Comrade Putin everything he wants, then the evil man will go away.

Who isn’t evil?
6 posted on 10/29/2022 12:44:10 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Vlad0

One Word: C O N F L A G R A T I O N


7 posted on 10/29/2022 12:45:01 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Travis McGee

8 posted on 10/29/2022 12:47:29 PM PDT by JonPreston
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To: Vlad0

Oh. This is McGregor...


9 posted on 10/29/2022 12:52:15 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Vlad0

Why?
Putin seems to be going defeated on cheap!


10 posted on 10/29/2022 12:53:56 PM PDT by AZJeep
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To: Travis McGee; Nextrush; SoConPubbie; adorno; hardspunned; WKUHilltopper; Howie66; ransomnote; ...
Impromptu Ukraine Ping List

I have assembled this list without preference to orientation, both pro-Ukraine and anti-Ukraine factions.

Let's surprise ourselves and try to discuss the article and the issues it raises, and avoid ad-hominem attacks on those you disagree with. I know this is hard and that this is a very contentious issue.

Just this once, to see if we can do it, OK!

Special Incentive: If we can I'll reward everyone with a free-for-all thread tomorrow!

Note on Source: The American Conservative, frequently referred to as TAC by readers, was founded by Pat Buchanan, Scott McConnell and Taki Theodoracopulos in 2002 to oppose the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan which the main "Conservative" outlets were all pimping for, having been taken over by, or created by, Neocons. (National Review, The Weekly Standard, Commentary, etc.)

At the time many of the founding writers at National Review had already been "purged" by National Review under Buckley for divergence from his credo. These included not only Pat Buchanan by the great Sam Francis and many others.

The ownership and editorship of TAC has changed, but they maintain their identity as a paleo-conservative outlet.

11 posted on 10/29/2022 12:57:18 PM PDT by Vlad0
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To: JonPreston
What's old is new.


12 posted on 10/29/2022 12:57:21 PM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Vlad0
Hackers show naval drone attack on Russian warships on Crimean TV channels
https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/10/29/hackers-attack-key-russian-propagandistic-channels-in-crimea-after-the-blasts-in-sevastopol/

"Combat mosquitoes" follow "dirty bomb": Russian representative to UN tells more frenzy lies
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/10/28/7373988/

Russia Preparing for 'Something Disastrous': Khrushchev Great-Granddaughter
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-preparing-something-disastrous-khrushchev-great-granddaughter-1755536

Elon Musk floated his pro-Kremlin Ukraine peace plan at a private summit 10 days before tweeting it, report says
https://www.businessinsider.com/musk-floated-ukraine-peace-plan-at-summit-before-tweeting-nyt-2022-10

13 posted on 10/29/2022 12:59:34 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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“No one in the White House, the Senate, or the House consciously set out to turn the proxy Ukrainian war with Moscow into a contest of “competitive societal collapse” between Russia and NATO. But here we are”

Actually, that was exactly and precisely the plan.


14 posted on 10/29/2022 1:08:08 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..Yet more lunacy from the idiot that)
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To: familyop

Did you read the article?

Thanks for reposting the same links that have already been spammed on 20 other Free Republic threads!

That’s tight!


15 posted on 10/29/2022 1:09:15 PM PDT by Vlad0
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176 ships were already being blocked from exporting Ukrainian grain before the damage was done to the Russian ships near occupied Crimea.

Russia Slammed for 'Food Terrorism' After Suspending Ukraine Grain Deal
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-slammed-food-terrorism-after-suspending-ukraine-grain-deal-1755601

16 posted on 10/29/2022 1:11:00 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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The core of the issue:

Yet there is also a measure of “true faith” at work, a condition of national narcissism, inside the Beltway that believes Washington can control what happens thousands of miles away in Eastern Ukraine. The message resonates in Congress because it rests on a critical strategic assumption that American citizens have yet to challenge: that American national power is limitless and unconstrained—as though a series of strategic failures, from Vietnam to Afghanistan, never happened.

17 posted on 10/29/2022 1:12:08 PM PDT by Vlad0
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You guy Macgregor is a buffoon and a Kremlin toadie who's on Putin's payroll via Russia Today (RT).

'nuff said.

18 posted on 10/29/2022 1:13:10 PM PDT by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

“Who isn’t evil?”

Its hard to tell in international relations.


19 posted on 10/29/2022 1:13:10 PM PDT by unclebankster (Globalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel)
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To: Vlad0

After seeing that the piece was written by Douglas Macgregor, it was obvious that the thread needed some interesting real news about the topic of the Russian invasion in Ukraine.


20 posted on 10/29/2022 1:13:46 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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