Posted on 10/17/2022 5:28:42 PM PDT by hardspunned
MINSK, October 17. /TASS/. Belarus reserves its right to take preemptive strategic deterrence measures amid the establishment of offensive NATO groups near Belarusian borders, says Valery Revenko, head of the Belarusian Defense Ministry international military cooperation department.
"The Republic of Belarus will protect its national interests with use of all available means, including by use of forces, and retains its right to take a complex of preemptive strategic measure complex in order to prevent an attack or to neutralize an internal armed conflict," he said during a briefing for foreign military attaches, partially published by Defense Ministry press office Monday.
Revenko underscored that Minsk is concerned by the "growing Polish military potential," and the practicing of "establishment of offensive groups and use of forces on Russian and Belarusian directions" in the Baltic states.
"NATO tactical battalion groups in Lithuania and Latvia are being gradually transformed into brigades, and can in future be brought to division levels," the military official said.
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Well, I’ll put you down in the column that says countries have no right to provide for their own defense if by doing so it pisses off a potential aggressor.
As a corollary to that, if you personally own any firearms you are to surrender them at once, because your very possession of them is undesirable to someone who wants to attack and harm or kill you or your loved ones.
Please stack them up on your front lawn, along with all ammunition, so your betters can come pick them up.
You might want to read “August 1914” by Barbara Tuchman for a glimpse at what interlocking alliances can lead to in very short order.
If you read AUGUST 1914, read the one by Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The edition with 846 pages has addition material that the early editions did not have. It is a heartbreaking read but enlightening.
Who did I say has no right to arm themselves. Stop making things up. If Belarus sees the potential aggressor building up in Poland, an aggressor who was never attacked in any way by Russia or Belarus, they have every right to defend themselves.
And no I’m not going to surrender my firearms even if I continue to piss off the Biden regime shills here by denouncing another brilliant regime idea.
A couple of thoughts. Due to corruption the equipment the Russians had was not fueled or maintained. If the officers in the missile command are living above their means, and if they aren’t they’re the only ones, then the missiles and bombs have not been maintained. If you don’t maintain nukes on a regular basis, they either won’t go boom or the boom will be substantially less. This is for a variety of reasons; one is that the tritium essentially evaporates and is very expensive to renew. Another is that the radiation renders the electronics into inert chemicals. My guess is that maintaining six thousand warheads would take a huge fraction of their budget and that some of that budget is invested in yachts.
Another is that Poland especially is ready for the Russians. They were well and truly sick of the Russians by the nineties, and they’ve been working hard to make certain they are never under Russian rule ever again.
Where’d you get the crystal ball? That is exactly what is going to happen. Leave it to the maniacs in DC to escalate in their retaliation.
Our war monger may still get that NATO vs Russia war they are hoping for. Could happen any day.
escalate what?
NATO isn’t going to attack first ... are you saying Russia will?
that would make Russia the warmonger, just like Nazi Germany was
“You might want to read “August 1914” by Barbara Tuchman for a glimpse at what interlocking alliances can lead to in very short order.”
Well, I’ve read “The Guns of August” by Barbara Tuchman; a few times over the years. And many years ago I even read “August 1914” by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.
In fact, I posted here on FR a few days ago on Tuchman’s “The Guns of August.”
If you want to sound more credible, at least get your titles right.
Na. This ti.e they’ll blame the virus release on Boston University when they transport it to a lab in Ukraine. Future billions dead. No need for a nuke war when they’ll kill off so many with a virus and not have to deal with nuclear Armageddon. The land won’t be poisoned. All part of the sick plans the bastards have.
That’s a real short list of all the warmongers. Most of the people hot to be running, playing nuclear brinkmanship with president vegetable being our key guy maybe should have the nuclear warmonger label. This place is infested with those neocon/globalist warmongers. Putin’s a warmonger, Zelensky’s a warmonger, Biden and his gang are warmongers, Brussels is warmongering. I don’t care a crap which warmonger starts WWIII, my grandchildren will be just as dead. You want to talk warmongers? How about the US public warmongers who favor putting all those warmongers and all their weapons together and then have the US jump in head first. This, over something we have zero interest in being involved. And don’t give me the “world policeman” BS. There are at least 25 other countries and peoples more deserving of your world policeman action than the corrupt Uniparty bank in Ukraine.
“Who did I say has no right to arm themselves. Stop making things up.”
Why didn’t you cite the entire sentence? Why did you omit the qualifier, “...IF by doing so it pisses off a potential aggressor?” IF, brother; IF. I’ll tell you why you omitted it: Because if you had included it, it would have killed your argument.
You said, in Post#1: “My fear for quite some time has been a preemptive, non nuclear strike on such NATO marshaling areas in Poland as are assumed here. I don’t know how much clearer the Russians can be about what is about to happen.”
You were talking about NATO — a defensive organization — pre-positioning weaponry in Poland. In other words, stockpiling defensive weapons, clearly to defend against aggression from Russia and/or its allies. Then, you go on to say Russia has been very clear on what is going to happen if such defensive weaponry is stockpiled (i.e., Get ready to be attacked, Poland!).
You later said, “If Belarus sees the potential aggressor (by which you mean NATO) building up in Poland, an aggressor (again, you mean NATO) who was never attacked in any way by Russia or Belarus, they have every right to defend themselves.”
Of course Belarus and Russia have the right to defend themselves if they are attacked. But, you are not talking about that, are you. You are talking about Russia and/or Belarus PRE-EMPTIVELY attacking Poland (i.e, attacking Poland even though neither Russia nor Belarus was attacked).
So, it is easy to conclude that you see the stockpiling of defensive weaponry in Poland as a provocation of Russia and/or Belarus, such that Russia and/or Belarus will attack Poland, and would be justified in doing so.
Russia and/or Belarus are saying to Poland: You have no right to defensive weaponry IF we see it as a provocation; and IF you do possess such defensive weaponry — a right we say you do not have if we see it as provocative — we will attack you.
“And no I’m not going to surrender my firearms...”
I’m glad to hear that; because I’d think you were either nuts or a surrender-monkey if you were to surrender them.
“...even if I continue to piss off the Biden regime shills here by denouncing another brilliant regime idea.”
Well, I’m not a “Biden regime shill,” so your last comment is meaningless to me. In any event, I’m not at all pissed at you.
Poland, an aggressor who was never attacked in any way by Russia or Belarus
Russia (USSR) invaded Poland in 1920, but Poland drove them back, Germany and USSR divided Poland between them in 1939, USSR got to keep the part of Poland it got in its deal with Hitler after WWII much of which I believe is now a part of Belarus. But again, it is Poland that is the aggressor here, not Russia or Belarus.
Potential aggressor who has NEVER attacked the US or NATO unless Hillary left some delayed fused truth bombs in her Russia, Russia, Russia. Perhaps there’ll be some delayed fused truth bombs in your Russia, Russia, Russia. Where in the NATO Charter is this proxy war against Russia sanctioned? What treaty obligation requires any response from the US? “NATO-a defensive organization-“ What a hoot! Tell that to that to the Russians as the tens of billions of dollars worth of defensive NATO munitions fall on them. If all you’ve got is the Russia, Russia, Russia attacked, what about all the other times Russia has attacked since 1991? Where were you demanding we spend $500M a day while going to the nuclear mat with the Russians in 2014? That’s right, your media masters ignored it, you ignored it. Also Mr. World Policeman, where were you when the 58% Uke ethnic majority was suppressing the 42% ethnic Russian minority? If you guys manage not to blow up the world and the big guy gets his way, will you want to trot out the world policeman to rectify that unjust Ukrainian repression of the ethnic Russians again? Have to get word over at the media feeding trough? Gotcha!
Did you hear the comments from Stoltenberg?
NATO was fomenting it for years and a side of conflict.
Why thank you for the history lesson. I already knew that. That has zip to do with what I said. NATO or the US is what I said. In the future, please keep your unsolicited history lessons to yourself.
I believe Minsk wants some scraps when it can get some
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