As Nuclear War Looms: Does Russia Have a Right to its Own Monroe Doctrine?

American Thinker ^ | Oct. 6, 2022 | Selwyn Duke

[libstripper]

With news that Israeli intelligence has detected an “irregular presence” of nuclear-capable Russian bombers near Finland and retired general David Petraeus casually saying NATO would likely sink Vladimir Putin’s Black Sea fleet if Russia used a tactical nuclear weapon in Ukraine, it’s perhaps time for a few questions:

First, can we discuss a situation that could very well result in thermonuclear war — and the end of life as we know it — intelligently and rationally? Or must all questions about our Dr. Strangelove policy be met with childish name-calling (e.g., “stooge of Putin!”) designed to silence debate?

[Glad2bnuts]

Grenada was in and out. THAT was what a textbook military operation looks like. It is what it should have looked at in Libya when Ambassador Stevens was under attack. A literal Piece of cake to stand down the murderers.

[Glad2bnuts]

I agree, our nations leaders have built and they “man the turrets” of the new evil empire. They have sold out our heritage for the NWO that nearly ALL Americans are against, and could be the precursor.....mind you COULD be the precursor to “The Worldwide Beast system” written of in Scripture.

[Glad2bnuts]

What is to stop Russia from goink all the way to the Atlantic? The European nations, minus the US. We bailed them out twice, LET THEM BURN. It is not my steak being roasted.

It is like me worrying about a neighborhood in Detroit from my spot in WA. I care that people die, but I am not going to expend money or life to stop them. It is their problem.

[Glad2bnuts]

Neville Chamberlain would make sure he signed a non agression treaty and went home. Britain and France were weak, as they were counting on the US to bail them out. THEIR weakness led to their fomenting the war. The French fought “bravely” for two weeks? Then torched their own Navy. The Brits got they azz handed to them, and an act of God or mercy by the Germans allowed their soldiers to escape.

[alexander_busek]

Not even the most rabidly anti-Rooskie (or pro-Ukraine) military analyst I've seen has suggested Russia intends breaking out the H-bombs.

Putin's nuclear saber-rattling is annoying - but there is a valid argument for reasoning that, once battlefield (tactical) nukes are deployed, it can quickly escalate. Hence the legitimacy of discussing the possibility of thermonuclear war.

But: Yes. Thermonuclear war does sound "cooler."

Regards,

[MalPearce]

You made a mistake in your first paragraph. It wasn’t Russia exclusively seeking a buffer zone in east Germany, it was the Soviet Union containing the Warsaw Pact region.

The Warsaw Pact region is now fully independent of the Soviet Union. So is Russia.

It’s telling that none of the Warsaw Pact region states think a buffer zone is necessary anymore, Ukraine doesn’t, the Baltics don’t, Finland didn’t, and even the anti Lukashenko parties in Belarus don’t.

Putin’s Siloviki chaps do. The Duginists do. Yanukovych did. Lukashenko already plays that part.

What does this TINY MINORITY of paranoid ethnonationalist rashist Vatnik klepto mafia types have in common that you don’t see anywhere else west of Minsk (except for a tiny political extremist faction in Serbia)?

They’re the only ones who need a justification for gangsterism. An external boogeyman. A scapegoat. Something to keep the proles in line.

Hence buffer zone against a perpetual threat of invasion that is a complete work of fiction.

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It wasn’t Russia exclusively seeking a buffer zone in east Germany, it was the Soviet Union containing the Warsaw Pact region.

Too much Gerald Ford there. I doubt the Poles and Czechs and Romanians and Hungarians really wanted to be part of Russia's security zone.

I'm not saying that Russian troops need to be in Ukraine as they were in Germany and Eastern Europe. I'm saying don't poke the bear. Don't try to make Ukraine a part of our security zone. We don't need to have troops there and talking about it is regarded as a provocation.

We (the US) also think we need a buffer zone. We would not want a hostile regime in Mexico or Central America. We put up with one in Cuba because we couldn't get rid of it.

[MalPearce]

But that's the fallacy. We are not "poking the bear" in the sense of, NATO expansion would only provoke a person who's determined to get offended by SOMETHING. We shouldn't have to moderate our completely reasonable behavior just because a pack of complete frickin' mentalists will ensure they get triggered by the most innocuous nothing burger.

They've got their own mutual defense association and their own economic club, and we don't go around telling other countries that they can't join. Russia should grow up, and stop acting like a drunken brat.

Biffa Bacon is a cartoon strip from the British (adult) comic, Viz.

In it, a family of utter thugs (Mutha, Fatha and Biffa) are ALWAYS trying to start fights with random strangers. If you ignore them, they'll fight you. If you confront them, they'll fight you. If nobody's doing anything to start a fight with them they'll concoct a false flag based on a completely made up slight against any random passer-by: "Did you spill my pint?" (pint not even spilled) and "Did you just call my pint a puff?" (doesn't even make sense) for example.

And when even that doesn't work, Mutha and Fatha will just set up a first strike situation.



The Russian Federation ethnonationalist siloviki is what you'd get if the Bacons got into politics and rigged the system so that perceptions of pint spillage were causus belli for declaring war.

[MeganC]

“We should have made Russia a fellow friend in 1991 but noooo.”

We did try. The US gave Russia a TON of help in reprocessing their huge store of old nuclear weapons into valuable reactor fuel that they were able to use and sell. We also helped them destroy millions of dangerous chemical and biological weapons.

In the mid 1990’s US Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich a Republican wanted Russia to join NATO. Too many people didn’t like that and Russia got a non-voting seat at NATO that was there until after Russia invaded Crimea.

For like eight years the US and Russia had stopped flying bombers off of each other’s coasts and then Putin brought that back. The US and NATO reciprocated.

Putin just wants the USSR to be brought back to life and he wants to put things back the way they were with Eastern Europe being controlled by Moscow. It won’t happen and this thing in Ukraine is where the West wants to stop him before he invades the Baltics or Poland or something else.

This whole stupidity over using nukes was started by Putin back on February 26/27 of this year and the Western response has definitely been inept. Western leaders vacillated between disbelief (”He’s just bluffing!”) and weak, pathetic protests that to me just seemed to encourage Putin.

The proper response to Putin threatening nuclear war unless he got his way in Ukraine and Moldova was to go to DEFCON 1, sortie the US Navy, put the USAF alert bombers in the air, and forward deploy nuclear missiles to Poland. That would have calmed down Putin in a heartbeat.

Instead we’ve had most of this year with Putin making nuclear threats and the response has been flaccid and impotent at best. This is what happens when the US is run by a doddering, senile old fool and his cabinet of sexual deviants and feminized eunuchs.

Not that I have any strong opinions about this.

[wgmalabama]

Thank you for the very knowledgeable respond. You have given me several items that I need to go learn more about. Being of strong or passionate opinions are great if there is informed knowledge behind it. We aren’t DemonCraps. Your response elaborate both passion and knowledge. Like FR of old.

Thx!